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2016/04/05 05:25:21
Kalle Rantaaho
caminitic
Cool.  Thanks for the replies everyone.
 
So...I can buy cheap USB dongle transmitter...which I assume comes with installation software/drivers...and Sonar would be able to find alternate output for me to switch to (i.e. instead of my Master Bus going to Quad Capture 1/2, I can switch it to "Bluetooth speaker"?)
 



If you read the post #3 by MacFurse again, you'll see it's not a USB gadget he's recommending. He plugs it in the speaker output (I assume headphone output will do?). According to my understanding a thingie plugged in the physical output can not utilize any kind of drivers, as it's not communicating with the PC in any way. Well, I guess it's possible it's USB-powered, though. Never used one.
2016/04/05 05:50:57
MacFurse
Kalle Rantaaho
caminitic
Cool.  Thanks for the replies everyone.
 
So...I can buy cheap USB dongle transmitter...which I assume comes with installation software/drivers...and Sonar would be able to find alternate output for me to switch to (i.e. instead of my Master Bus going to Quad Capture 1/2, I can switch it to "Bluetooth speaker"?)
 



If you read the post #3 by MacFurse again, you'll see it's not a USB gadget he's recommending. He plugs it in the speaker output (I assume headphone output will do?). According to my understanding a thingie plugged in the physical output can not utilize any kind of drivers, as it's not communicating with the PC in any way. Well, I guess it's possible it's USB-powered, though. Never used one.


Yeh. I'm talking about a device that takes a 3mm jack in (stereo) then re-transmits via Bluetooth. They have a switch on them. They can either be a receiver or transmitter. Would be great if their was no latency, you could run ear monitors off your desk if they were that good. But, to the OP, you can run whatever lead you want into the little transmitter. Just get a 2 x 6.5mm jack to stereo 3mm jack Y splitter cable, plug the two 6.5's into your quadcapture out and plug in your transmitter, and your away!  If you want a better explanation, feel free to ask, and I will give you a more detailed response (I'm a tech, so I get a bit over simplistic sometimes, sorry).
For others interested, I've run some mixes out now into one of those Logitec (UE) megaboom portable Bluetooth speakers, and man, they sure are good at picking too much bass in your mix. I run a pretty awesome sub along with a pair Yamaha HS7'S, and it is a very transparent sound, but being an old bass player, I'm probably a bit deaf to some lower frequencies, and the little megaboom speaker highlights my errors very effectively. Sometimes small is good lol!!
 
2016/04/05 06:10:37
Kamikaze
I plug one of these into my headphone out of the quad capture.

2016/04/05 10:23:13
caminitic
WOW love the detailed responses. Thanks to all.
 
Yes...I do the "headphone out to my cheesy desktop computer speakers" too...the uniqueness of the Bluetooth speaker being mono and smaller was what I was hoping to take advantage of as another listening source.
 
Too much bass?!?  Yeah I've been there. Like just last night....
2016/04/05 10:37:04
gustabo
Waiting on this.
Pre-ordered...
2016/04/05 13:15:54
MacFurse
gustabo
Waiting on this.
Pre-ordered...


I'm sorry gustabo, now I've just gotta ask, 'cause I'm a gizmo collector and I want one too..
If it's not a phone speaker simulator, IT IS A PHONE SPEAKER (that's the add talking, not me), why don't we just plug our phones in ? I NEED your explanation, to talk me outa of buying one !!
2016/04/05 13:58:55
tenfoot
IK multimedia ARC 2 acoustic correction system vst has a very cool feature that simulates different playback devices and environments that is excellent for testing mixes. The room correction itself also works far more effectively than you might expect.
 
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/arc/
 
2016/04/05 15:38:56
MacFurse
tenfoot
IK multimedia ARC 2 acoustic correction system vst has a very cool feature that simulates different playback devices and environments that is excellent for testing mixes. The room correction itself also works far more effectively than you might expect.
 
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/arc/
 


Agree this is awesome technology, but it's just a bit hard to justify the cost. I think if I was going to spend this much, it would be better put towards more room insulation. My next album will be a huge hit. I will be able to afford whatever I want and ditch my day (and night) job
2016/04/05 17:07:21
tlw
FreeFlyBertl
Since you probably run the Quad Capture on ASIO driver, you have a "problem" i.e. you can only have one active ASIO device at a time. So even if you get ASIO drivers for a USB dongle (which I don't know if they exist), you would still have to deactivate the Quad Capture in the audio pref and activate the bluetooth dongle ... which is too much hassle (i.e. not like simply routing it in Sonar).


ASIO is an irrelevancy with Bluetooth. As Craig Anderton says, the Bluetooth protocol itself has a minimum latency of between 30 and 40ms.

I've a cheap little mono (well, it takes stereo input, but it's mono really) basic Bluetooth speaker of the kind that go with tablets, phones etc. It's not exactly hi-fi but is better than tablet/laptop built-in speakers as far as bass is concerned. As in at least there's a bit of bass output.

I got it in the first place for precisely the job of finding out what mixes sound like on the kind of cheap lowest common denominator things lots of people use nowadays. Don't think I'll be remixing stuff to cope with the shortcomings of cheap Bluetooth speakers though. It does show up some of the more obvious issues that can arise when collapsing a stereo mix to mono though. And since these single speakers are essentially mono they're another good reason for checking mixes for mono compatibility besides club and background PA systems.

It also comes in handy for use with my ipad when I don't want to use earbuds. Has to be connected by wire for videos/TV though, otherwise the character's lips move, the gun fires etc. in silence and an appreciable wait later the bluetooth system catches up.
2016/04/05 20:43:27
Cactus Music
I bought a Bluetooth Transmitter/ Receiver for $34 off Amazon. I stayed away from the $10 ones as they mostly get bad reviews but who knows. Mine claimed the LOWEST latency which is still real bad so totally useless for studio headphones. 
Anyhow it's dead simple to use with anything that has a headphone jack available.  
You just push a button to pair it with the speaker and it will transmit audio from your phone, laptop, TV or home stereo ,, and yes with a very noticeable delay. Don't expect peoples lips to be in sync with the TV playback. 
It uses USB to charge only. 
My netbook has built in Blue tooth but to heck if I can get it to send audio. This little gizmo works better. 
 
https://www.amazon.ca/Avantree-Bluetooth-Receiver-Transmitter-Headphones/dp/B00LAZ6RTW
 

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