2016/02/23 12:31:29
AdamGrossmanLG
So i gave it a try on a finished mix of a song I have.. which had a Dynamic Range scoring of 13.   I mastered it on my own first and it still had a Dynamic Range scoring of 13.
 
LANDR made my mix ultra loud (increasing it by 4.5 db RMS) and squashed the dynamics to a scoring 8.
 
No thanks.  I will master on my own.
2016/02/23 12:36:12
ampfixer
There are a few YouTube video's that run that comparison with similar results. It's a subscription service but Cakewalk seems to have a deal with them for this new feature. 
 
I have no interest in this update at all.
2016/02/23 12:37:32
John T
I expect there's going to be a lot of LANDR nay-saying.
 
Myself, I've tried it out from curiosity a few times, and hopefully without sounding to arrogant, it doesn't do anything I can't do better myself. So not a fan as such.
 
However, if it helps some people get their stuff where they need it to be, then I'm all for it. It's not nearly as good as good mastering, nowhere close. But it's better than a lot of bad mastering I've heard.
2016/02/23 12:40:36
AdamGrossmanLG
John T
I expect there's going to be a lot of LANDR nay-saying.
 
Myself, I've tried it out from curiosity a few times, and hopefully without sounding to arrogant, it doesn't do anything I can't do better myself. So not a fan as such.
 
However, if it helps some people get their stuff where they need it to be, then I'm all for it. It's not nearly as good as good mastering, nowhere close. But it's better than a lot of bad mastering I've heard.




Absolutely.  If someone doesn't know the first thing and they screw up their recording.. sure use LANDR.   Just don't expect great results.
 
A good master shouldn't decrease dynamic range by 5db.  Even though LANDR says on their site they are kinda against the loudness war... they just squashed my track lol.
2016/02/23 12:49:02
anxiousmofo
It's hard to see the incorporation of what is ultimately a paid service as a real value-add for SONAR users.  The free options are relatively useless.
2016/02/23 12:53:42
Andrew Rossa
anxiousmofo
It's hard to see the incorporation of what is ultimately a paid service as a real value-add for SONAR users.  The free options are relatively useless.


Well you get free previews so you can always check it out and tweak the mix if you think something is off. It could be a useful tool if you want to get an idea on what your track will sound like mastered. That being said, we understand it won't be for everyone and that some people prefer to send it to a mastering engineer. 
2016/02/23 12:53:45
AdamGrossmanLG
anxiousmofo
It's hard to see the incorporation of what is ultimately a paid service as a real value-add for SONAR users.  The free options are relatively useless.




yea it comes off bad.  It left a sour taste in my mouth.   "Our next update is to make more money through partnerships!"
2016/02/23 12:57:11
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
SilverBlueMedallion
So i gave it a try on a finished mix of a song I have.. which had a Dynamic Range scoring of 13.   I mastered it on my own first and it still had a Dynamic Range scoring of 13.
 
LANDR made my mix ultra loud (increasing it by 4.5 db RMS) and squashed the dynamics to a scoring 8.
 
No thanks.  I will master on my own.




Did you use the default which is the medium setting or Low? The low setting does only minimal dynamics processing and I've never seen it squash dynamics noticeably. I have to say that I've had really good results with Landr feeding it the same input that was used for my professionally mastered tunes. The algorithms are genre dependent so results could vary but in my case it did not squash dynamics.
2016/02/23 13:01:26
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
SilverBlueMedallion
yea it comes off bad.  It left a sour taste in my mouth.   "Our next update is to make more money through partnerships!"



That wasn't the intent at all. We  partner with companies that make serious contributions to the music production process with their tech. Celemony is another good example and I believe Landr is doing some pretty groundbreaking work in this area. The e-zine which covers many workflows enabled by this technology.
2016/02/23 13:01:46
AdamGrossmanLG
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
SilverBlueMedallion
So i gave it a try on a finished mix of a song I have.. which had a Dynamic Range scoring of 13.   I mastered it on my own first and it still had a Dynamic Range scoring of 13.
 
LANDR made my mix ultra loud (increasing it by 4.5 db RMS) and squashed the dynamics to a scoring 8.
 
No thanks.  I will master on my own.




Did you use the default which is the medium setting or Low? The low setting does only minimal dynamics processing and I've never seen it squash dynamics noticeably. I have to say that I've had really good results with Landr feeding it the same input that was used for my professionally mastered tunes. The algorithms are genre dependent so results could vary but in my case it did not squash dynamics.




Hmmm I didn't even see that setting.  I will re-try again when I get back to my DAW.  thanks for the response!
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