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pwalpwal
they still have to be explicitly programmed to self-learn...

This may fall into the realm of semantics, but the "explicit programming" in this case would be embedded in the AI framework.  The typical AI system consists mostly of "training" the system by feeding in data and having having the responses scored.  The system "learns" how to respond to various patterns in ways that produce the best score.  other than the "engine" itself, that isn't really programmed explicitly.
 

semantics for sure: the "self-learning engine" has to be programmed

Craig,
 
I read the ezine and understood immediately everything that you are saying over and over and over again. Newburyport has provided a new tool to use if I choose to use it.
 
I completely understand what LANDR is and is not intended to do. I guess my advantage is that I actually read the ezine and interpret it literally; it makes perfect sense.
 
If you hate it, don't use it and just get on with your life. It should end there.
 
If I want to stretch and reach, I suppose it would have been a good idea to make it a separate option in C3 for users to download or not. Other than that, there should be no fuss.
 
I am sorry you are having to beat a dead horse over and over again. Your patience is notable indeed.

Sylvan
Craig,
 
I read the ezine and understood immediately everything that you are saying over and over and over again. Newburyport has provided a new tool to use if I choose to use it.
 
I completely understand what LANDR is and is not intended to do. I guess my advantage is that I actually read the ezine and interpret it literally; it makes perfect sense.
 
I am sorry you are having to beat a dead horse over and over again. Your patience is notable indeed.

I think the problem is that these options have never existed before, so they're outside of peoples' frame of reference. They can relate these options only to that which existed before, so they have to put it into a box with which they're familiar. As soon as they hear "master" they can think of only one context, and their minds are closed to any other possible interpretation.
 
Thanks very much for understanding what I'm trying to communicate. 
 

Ugh... get it out of the main installer.
 
If anything the fact that simple point, made by MANY users now, is being completely ignored while these other, purely subjective, arguments rage on and are getting propped up is actually turning me off the concept even more.
 
Fine, it's great. It's awesome. Give me ten billionety*. Just get it out of my the main Sonar download.
 
 
 
*someone will have to loan me whatever ten billionety LANDRs are worth to be paid back when I get my check from that Nigerian prince.

Beepster
Disabling notifications of course does not imply the program isn't going to seek out an internet connection and download/upload/generally creep around...

This kind of thing should be clearly declared in big, red letters before releasing on an unsuspecting Sonarship. I consider myself fortunate I didn't install it.

Beepster
Fine, it's great. It's awesome. Give me ten billionety*. Just get it out of my the main Sonar download.
 
*someone will have to loan me whatever ten billionety LANDRs are worth to be paid back when I get my check from that Nigerian prince.

Close. I read in Forbes they raised 4 million and are seeking a further 5 million (old info - maybe they already got it?). How the investors are going to recoup this kind of money is beyond me.

Beepster
...while these other, purely subjective, arguments rage on...

They're not all purely subjective. It's clear from this thread that a lot of people have no idea what LANDR can and cannot do, and indeed, know little about how professional mastering works, or why LANDR says the goal isn't to replace traditional (i.e., good) mastering engineers but complement them. I'm simply trying to tell people what its applications are, and giving examples. Those "arguing" with me are arguing about points I didn't make.
 
As to your installer issue, it's not being ignored; there have been plenty of comments. (FWIW, it also seems Bitwig and PreSonus will be integrating LANDR with their programs in a similar fashion.)
 
 
 

jpetersen

Beepster
Fine, it's great. It's awesome. Give me ten billionety*. Just get it out of my the main Sonar download.
 
*someone will have to loan me whatever ten billionety LANDRs are worth to be paid back when I get my check from that Nigerian prince.

Close. I read in Forbes they raised 4 million and are seeking a further 5 million (old info - maybe they already got it?). How the investors are going to recoup this kind of money is beyond me.

My guess would be the 10,000,000 GoPro owners who want better audio, the 350,000 churches that record sermons, and every videographer who does weddings. (Never fear, mastering engineers - they weren't going to hire you anyway.)
 
If I can still do math at the end of the workday, if 1.8% of GoPro owners buy the cheapest available subscription, that makes back the seed money instantly, with a little left over for sushi dinners . It's not hard to see how they could make back the investment in 5 years, probably less. It all depends whether they can break into the consumer market, and market their message effectively to it.
 
The next step after DAWs would be things liike TuneCore and CD Baby, then after that, the apps that ship with camcorders and such. Maybe even something like Vegas Movie Studio so video prosumers can beef up their soundtracks. 

@Craig... I meant it's being ignored by the Bakers (unless they've commented elsewhere on the point). You're the only one who's even acknowledged the installer thing.
 
As to how those other companies handle their bundling... well I don't use those programs so it doesn't matter. If I did though I'd be saying the same thing. Put it in a separate download.
 
Is LANDR aspiring to become the MCafee of the digital audio world?
 
Anyway, I'll give this a rest for now but I hope the Bakers consider this (as do the LANDR folks when negotiating deals with other beloved programs).
 
Sorry to be a spazzo dill. Just a little frustrated about this situation.
 
And of course, I still lurvs you The Craig so I'm especially sorry to cause you in particular any extra stress. As far as I'm concerned most of this other rabble is pointless because (if it were a separate install) it's a take it or leave it tool that people can use or not use. No harm in that.
 
Cheers.

Opinions, opinions, opinions we've all heard it said "they are just like belly buttons - everybody has one..." 
Keep doing what your doing CAKEWALK - the multi-faceted tools and options the program offers are meeting various users needs in various user ways.
 
THANKS!!!!!