Again, surprise because without the assistance I get from the fantastic folk here, I'm not sure I'd get much done. But clearly that has to be the case otherwise this forum would be completely clogged.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Also forums are frequented mainly by certain persona's of users.

 
You can say that again :)
 
Craig, Noel, I just want to say thanks that you take the time to reply. Heaven knows, you must have more immediate things on your minds.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Lets just say that the majority of users for whom Landr would be really useful don't necessarily frequent this forum.
Also forums are frequented mainly by certain persona's of users. There are many people I know who are top notch musicians but rarely frequent a user forum let alone post. These aren't daw or mastering geeks but they use SONAR as a music production tool. I think this is the audience that will get the most benefit from something like this. Thinking of the "artist" crowd as less pro somehow is pretty narrow minded. 
 

I was just thinking something very similar.
 
I was helping out a friend this week. He plays in a couple of garage rock-type bands, and they record all their own stuff and put it up online. And he was asking me for some mix notes, and I gave him a few simple pointers, and all was well in the world.
 
None of it's ever going to win any grammy awards for engineering, but you know what? This guy gets paid to play live at least three nights a week. He is, by any sensible measure, a "pro".
 
What he's not is a particularly sophisticated sound engineer. But he gets valuable use out of a DAW, and a thing like LANDR would be enormously useful to him.

lthomas

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Regarding the Landr app itself, their client app is exactly like the soundcloud app in that it does nothing until you choose to export. There is no impact on system performance since it doesnt run in the background. It has its own uninstaller that you can access from Windows add | remove programs should you choose to remove it. As many have pointed out there is also the possibility to avoid installing it if you use the command center custom options.

 
Hey guys, I'm Ludovic from LANDR. Desktop app developer team lead, and I just wanted to add a few points to Noel's response.
 
The LANDR desktop application is not an agent, and will not perform any operation in background if not launched.
 
The SONAR installer is installing the app, but never launches it. The user can choose to export to LANDR, and in that case the LANDR app is launched. When the user closes the window of the app, or quits the app, there is nothing happening in the background.
 
When the LANDR app is launched, it will check for updates to our server (standard for most apps). 
 
On Windows, the uninstaller removes the whole application, logs out the user, and removes all cached tracks that have been downloaded through the app by the user. The only thing that could remain are the installer logs (and a few registry keys), and app logs that are managed by Windows.
 
We understand your concerns and appreciate any additional feedback.

I guess I'll be the one to ask.
 
Why leave any registry entries?
 
If I uninstall I want my system to COMPLETELY not know anything about what I previously installed.

Let me guess that you haven't recently tried to write a windows installer of reasonable size :)

My 2 cents.
 
Landr is gloatware and thankfully Bapu has posted how to not have said gloat on your system. I see it as a form of Google toolbar or Yahoo toolbar. It may have some use to noobs but is it actually really a legitimate part of a professional audio production system? My answer is a firm no.
 
Anything that is third party within the Sonar system and demands an extra account and money to be parted with needs to be pretty darned good. Melodyne is a perfect happy partner. Landr is not even a third cousin in that respect.
 
I have experimented with Landr before when it first came out as its an interesting concept. I signed up for my account, used it and didn't like it. Thats my call.
 
To have it shipped as a big "update" cheapens the Sonar range in my opinion and this whole update is clearly scoped at attracting noobs. One button does all....(style dials ffs)
 
Where are the updates for addressing legacy issues, deal breakers? AAF support, Notation, better video integration, windows sample rate issues, more advanced options, control of drivers (Sonardpr.exe bombing out)....I could go on.
 
Its a focus thing, the focus seems to be on "shiny new toys" and not fixing the current estate. I see it in work all the time. "Lets move on to the new gimmick rather than solidifying the current estate".
 
I miss the Roland days, when I see Ryan showcasing the new Roland range of synths I sigh wishing that we had some of that technology in Sonar rather than "Style dials" and Andertons latest Gibson guitar splurges (no offence mate)...

Its a confusing time for me with Cakewalk. Will I walk? Definitely not as this software is so ingrained into my working day but Do I think there is a lack of vision? Absolutely yes.

markyzno
 
I have experimented with Landr before when it first came out as its an interesting concept. I signed up for my account, used it and didn't like it. Thats my call.
 

Horses for courses. I tried it and found it to do a fine job! I send out a lot of files to various clients and collaborators, most of which aren't the kinds of labors of love where I like to spend time and energy mastering, listening on different playback systems, take a break to let the ears acclimatize, listening again and so on!
 
Picking a preset in Ozone does not work for me in this regard, they all sound completely wrong and exaggerated to me, while the Landr file sounded just fine! Certainly better than I could do without putting in some degree of effort. So I think I'm gonna try it for a while!
 
And regarding all the feature rage on this thread: I play several instruments proficiently (to blow my own trumpet, pun haha), and I need to do it myself in order to express what I want. But I would not go off the rails flinging the noob label left and right if Cake added som kind of Band-in-a-Box export option. Different users have different needs and it does not make them noobs!
 
Sven

SvenArne

markyzno
 
I have experimented with Landr before when it first came out as its an interesting concept. I signed up for my account, used it and didn't like it. Thats my call.
 

 
 
Picking a preset in Ozone does not work for me in this regard, they all sound completely wrong and exaggerated to me, while the Landr file sounded just fine!
 
Sven

 
Ozone isn't for presets, its for investigation and analysis and MASTERING. It is a truly awesome bit of kit. 
 
This is what music tech has become. A preset for this a style dial for that and no actual sound design let alone an understanding of the processes going on. Probably explains why a lot of music is so bland to the ear.
 
I urge everyone to look at Steve Albinis techniques.

markyzno
Ozone isn't for presets 

Yes, I'm a heavy Ozone user since version 1, and it didn't take me long to realize the presets weren't doing me any favors. I referenced the presets because of some speculation on this thread that Landr worked simply by slapping on some "style" preset. To my ears it must be a lot cleverer than that, since my experience with mastering presets is that they just make a mess unless tweaked to the point were you might as well do it yourself from the get go.

jpetersen

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Also forums are frequented mainly by certain persona's of users.

 
You can say that again :)
 

I..... It's just......... No,  I can't even. :) 

LANDR could have been a neighbor.. You like  - you talk to, you invite. You don't like - just ignore.
But LANDR got married to SONAR.. That's the problem.
 
Is it something like this?