If you were referring to my post the point I was making was in direct response to Craig's post, that we need to support the many users of our products who might be very experienced in other ways but not very technical with DAW's. Not sure why you drew the conclusion that people on forums were any less.
 
Also your assertion that Cakewalk did something "sneaky" by including the Landr installer was refuted and explained extremely clearly, yet you keep reposting your same argument. I will explain it once again for the record:
 
 
The download was a conscious decision made for technical and usability reasons in order to integrate Landr without requiring a secondary install. This is to avoid a poor user experience for users who WANT to use Landr. Our TS records show that users get confused when they have to do multiple installs to use a feature. We do so the same for Soundcloud and other external encoders such as YouTube publisher. Also the Landr installer is ONLY 50MB and can be either skipped or uninstalled via add-remove programs in Windows. It doesn't add any overhead to the system having it installed.
 
You reported that our installer size is 100MB larger - if so its probably some other reason and we will look into that. If there is a better install mechanism that doesn't involve a large amount of development resources on both Cakewalk and Landr's side we will consider an alternate approach. Please lets stop this circular discussion now since the facts have been stated multiple times. 
 
 

Beepster

tenfoot
I jumped right in and installed the new update,  as I do every month,  before I knew anything of the dreaded presence of Landr. Although like many of us I was a little surprised and unhappy to find it there,  I have now been working in the studio all day and half the night,  all the while successfully ignoring it completely.  Shockingly,  there have been no ill effects whatsoever.
 
Methinks we all worry too much about too little. Perhaps we should smile more:) 

Sure, but...
 
It needs to be removed from the main installer.
 
The way it was snuck in was not cool.
 
I wish I could smile more but that seems to invite a kick in the teeth when you ain't lookin' from the most unlikely of boots.
 
Once Cake removes it from the main installer I'll consider contemplating maybe a cautious glimmer of a grin.
 
I do not promise teeth will be exposed in said grin.
 
I have faith Cake will do the right thing in the end.

Hi Beepster,
 
We clearly understand your point. We listen to all feedback and we understand your point of view. There's no further need to clarify any points since we understand it clearly :)
 
Thanks.

Yup. Thanks, Andrew. It just came up in the flow of conversation again.
 
I will also apologize to Noel because I actually slightly mischaracterized his statement and was in the process of correcting that when he posted. It's obviously much more nuanced than that and not as nasty as all that but still irksome. I just widdled it down far too much and don't feel like dragging it out.
 
Breif corrections...
 
I did NOT come up with or report the 100MB nor did I confirm that/claim it was fact. That was other users and I specualting about reported discrepancies.
 
I DID read and respond to the intial explanation. That can be viewed upthread. I won't drag that out again.
 
I am quite happy this is being reviewed and have been since I was informed of it. I just got pulled in by the topic again.
 
Cheers and again thank you for looking into it.

 
 
Alex would know what to say.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I miss Alex...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
There, I said it

Don't worry, Steve, he is back again, with yet another alternate login.

He'll pop in here soon, no doubt.

Since this thread was a little long on opinions (mine included) and short on examples, I thought I would contribute.
 
This is an acoustic instrumental, the title was a happy accident, I really had no intention of doing this when I started this song today.
 
Here is the unprocessed audio, reverb only.
https://soundcloud.com/artturnermusic/what-are-my-choices-now-unprocessed
 
Here is the original after I had done what I could to it:
https://soundcloud.com/ar...y-choices-now-original
iZotope Alloy 2 on drums, Vintage Scooped Drums preset
iZotope Ozone 6 on master, Warm and Transparent preset
REmatrix on a reverb bus, Modern Feel preset
 
Here is what LANDR did with the *unprocessed* file (again on medium)
https://soundcloud.com/artturnermusic/what-are-my-choices-now-landr-medium-on-unprocessed-file
 
Here is what LANDR did with the file that had my iZotope presets:
https://soundcloud.com/artturnermusic/what-are-my-choices-now-landr-medium
 
I kind of like the "pop" and clarity of the LANDR version. Can any of you true mastering gurus tell me what LANDR did to achieve this?
 
Thanks!

Fantastic material!
Is the first one what you sent to LandR?
Or did you send a totally unprocessed one?
 

jpetersen
Fantastic material!
Is the first one what you sent to LandR?
Or did you send a totally unprocessed one?
 

Thanks,
I sent the first one (with my processing) to LANDR.
 
What I wanted to find out is that if I had a track where I thought I wanted it, would LANDR be able to improve it, wreck it, or do nothing at all?
 
I suppose it would be a better test if I sent an unprocessed one too. Will try to do that shortly.

I love hearing songs made in SONAR from our users. Good stuff!

OK. In the meantime, I've been having a lot of fun with your two sound files.
 
First I reduced the volume of the LANDR one so both sound equally loud.
 
Then I flipped through the presets supplied with Ozone 5. Most are too heavy-handed, but I found one that is not too far off and started to investigate. The EQ is scooped at around 500Hz with curves that look similar to that of the BBE Sonic Maximizer. However, when the violin becomes dominant, it keeps it's mid-frequency character. Interesting.
 
One thing I'm finding when just applying presets is, liking one and taking it as a starting point is very much a matter of taste. Which one is "better"? Hard to say. Craig Anderton likes vocals, so he focuses on that. But unless there are flaws in the sense of Craig's "Public Service" video, whereby there are nasty resonances to find and eliminate, it's not really possible to find out how clever LANDR really is. Your recordings don't have such flaws (well - I have only done 3 albums, so what do I know?).
 
I have to work so I've left it for now, but will continue. It's keeping me fascinated.
 
But so far, a BBE-like effect centered at 500Hz.
Thanks!!! Educational stuff.