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2016/02/25 12:16:22
Beepster
So has anyone blasted some "extreme" metal (apparently that's what it's being called these days) into this thing yet? I'm talking soaked with distortion, complex hyper velocity drums, growler vox, etc?
 
 
2016/02/25 12:23:59
jimkleban
I agree with brother Craig on bit rate perception.  However, it might be a good idea to offer a standard resolution and a "hi fi" resolution (for a premium) so that those who think they can hear the difference or actually have HIGH END audio equipment can choose. So, if someone thinks that they hear a difference then there is a difference to them and they won't mind paying the premium for this Hi Def audio.
 
This theory applies to whatever format your music may be in (MP3, FLAC, etc.).
 
Just my 2 cents.
Jim
2016/02/25 12:43:08
Anderton
jimkleban
I agree with brother Craig on bit rate perception.  However, it might be a good idea to offer a standard resolution and a "hi fi" resolution (for a premium) so that those who think they can hear the difference or actually have HIGH END audio equipment can choose. So, if someone thinks that they hear a difference then there is a difference to them and they won't mind paying the premium for this Hi Def audio.

 
There are two encouraging trends in that respect. First, many MP3-related patents have already expired; I believe the final ones expire in December 2017. Yes, fellow SONAR users - I think that implies that starting in 2018, Cakewalk can build in an MP3 encoder without having to pay a licensing fee. However, it's a hollow victory because...
 
Second, Microsoft has pretty much adopted FLAC as their default audio format, and other lossless codecs are in play for Apple. Although the size reduction isn't as drastic as MP3, there is no loss in fidelity any more than zipping a word doc deletes letters. Given the ever-increasing and ever-lowering cost of memory, I believe that in the near future, the issue of which bit rate to use for encoding will be moot. People will encode to FLAC or Apple Losslesss, and be done with it. (LANDR already offers WAV, but I wouldn't be surprised if they added a FLAC option if that format continues to gain traction.)
 
2016/02/25 12:53:58
rabeach
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
That's not accurate - Landr uses Machine learning. If you look at the theory, machine learning is as accurate as the DATA its given rather than as intelligent as the programmer. Unlike conventional programming where you write an algorithm to solve a problem, machine learning is a branch of data science where the data is used to solve the problem. One definition is "Machine learning is a field of study that gives computers the ability to learn without being explicitly programmed" There is a brief overview here.
 
Machine learning is being used widely for all kinds of applications today including DSP, studying the brain, medicine and finance. As I mentioned earlier, our Vocal sync feature was designed using machine learning to understand how to analyze and extract data from a huge subset of vocals samples.
I'm not sure why there is so much resistance and doubt about applications that use modern science to solve problems. It sounds like a repeat of fears people had about computers taking over when I first started out in programming 35 years ago :) Did that happen - of course not, people just use them to work more efficiently now. 


link to brief overview doesn't work for me
2016/02/25 12:58:18
jpetersen
I've already had a band where nobody had a CD player. Pre-mixes were listened to as MP3s on phones.
 
2016/02/25 13:03:38
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
rabeach
 
link to brief overview doesn't work for me

Sorry about that - I posted the wrong link. Its updated now to the correct link
2016/02/25 13:08:05
pwalpwal
"Machine learning is a field of study that gives computers the ability to learn without being explicitly programmed"

they still have to be explicitly programmed to self-learn...
another thought: put off using this service as the longer you leave it the more accurate the algorithms will have become (in theory)
yet another: how different is this from harbal-on-a-server? (http://www.har-bal.com/ )
2016/02/25 13:10:54
panup
Since yesterday I LANDR has been very, very slow.
I'm making some tests but currently the service fails to process about half of my uploads.
 
Has anyone else noticed?
2016/02/25 13:26:44
bluzdog
pwalpwal
 
yet another: how different is this from harbal-on-a-server? (http://www.har-bal.com/ )




There is nothing automatic about Har-bal, there's not even presets. The EQ section is fantastic and a great learning tool. I have never been able to get my head around the dynamics section. I would say Landr and Har-bal are apples and oranges, 2 completely different animals.
 
Rocky
2016/02/25 13:49:49
gswitz
panup
Since yesterday I LANDR has been very, very slow.
I'm making some tests but currently the service fails to process about half of my uploads.
 
Has anyone else noticed?




Yesterday, I had to go off one of the uploads and back to see the Low-Medium-High settings. The circle going around and around never ended. It was only from leaving and returning that I was able to listen.
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