Comparing Style Dials to this thing is no comparison at all. Style Dials are non disruptive, in the box, Cakewalk produced plugs that can be totally ignored (and I don't think they are part of the main installer).
 
Apples and monkey wrenches, dood.

stxx
The headroom is needed so things don't get overly crunched from the get go.  

People keep saying that.  Please explain why their process should not always begin with a normalization step to force the headroom to exactly the amount they need for their algorithms.
 

stxx
They apparently do not do any pre-master level adjustments so your mix level as they are submitted become the starting point.

Why not?  This seems like such a no-brainer, if they haven't even figured out that much, how sophisticated can the rest of the process be?
 

chilldanny
 
Beep, I installed an early version of the LANDR desktop app and chose not to reinstall via the Newburyport update, so there's a good chance that my version number would differ to the one included in the installer.

Okay, thanks for the additional info. So in that case they likely did make sure they had things sorted before the Cake release.
 
Still doesn't change the fact there's gonna be some extra app probin' and naggin' and potentially disrupting system processes.
 
Are there any settings in the app relating to "Auto Updates" or is always going to be hunting around for an internet connection/updates?
 
Cheers.

pwalpwal
they still have to be explicitly programmed to self-learn...

This may fall into the realm of semantics, but the "explicit programming" in this case would be embedded in the AI framework.  The typical AI system consists mostly of "training" the system by feeding in data and having having the responses scored.  The system "learns" how to respond to various patterns in ways that produce the best score.  other than the "engine" itself, that isn't really programmed explicitly.
 

Not for professional use...

Psychobillybob
It seems odd to me that Cakewalk wants to be taken seriously by the industry but then instead incorporates services that no real industry engineer would use...it's like saying we want to be professional just like the amateurs are...if you think people like Brad Blackwood or other mastering guys are not worth paying then you have no idea what you are doing, if you think some paid subscription service can get even remotely close to what those guys do you are uninformed...this is a bad idea just like gobbler and you guys need to hire some real audio studio engineers to work with your product development the team you have now is missing the boat.

Read pages 6 and 7. Even LANDR itself says this is NOT designed to replace traditional mastering engineers, but complement what they do. Anyone who thinks that the purpose of LANDR is to substitute robot-driven mastering on gigs normally done by professional mastering engineers is clueless about the concept.
 
I'm a professional mastering engineer. I've already explained how it benefits professional mastering engineers if they have clients with access to LANDR. 
 
 

Beepster
 
Are there any settings in the app relating to "Auto Updates" or is always going to be hunting around for an internet connection/updates?
 
Cheers.

In the LANDR desktop app go: File > Preferences > Account tab > Next to App settings un-tick 'Enable Notifications'
One would assume this would stop update notifications, I have no idea to be honest.  I only got the update prompt when opening the LANDR app, so I doubt you'd ever see it if you never use it.

Anderton

Psychobillybob
It seems odd to me that Cakewalk wants to be taken seriously by the industry but then instead incorporates services that no real industry engineer would use...it's like saying we want to be professional just like the amateurs are...if you think people like Brad Blackwood or other mastering guys are not worth paying then you have no idea what you are doing, if you think some paid subscription service can get even remotely close to what those guys do you are uninformed...this is a bad idea just like gobbler and you guys need to hire some real audio studio engineers to work with your product development the team you have now is missing the boat.

Read pages 6 and 7. Even LANDR itself says this is NOT designed to replace traditional mastering engineers, but complement what they do. Anyone who thinks that the purpose of LANDR is to substitute robot-driven mastering on gigs normally done by professional mastering engineers is clueless about the concept.
 
I'm a professional mastering engineer. I've already explained how it benefits professional mastering engineers if they have clients with access to LANDR. 
 
 

Craig I appreciate that you've taken the time to look at this but really, its an algorithm...no matter what style of music you throw
at it, the results will be the same, how is that helpful in the slightest? Think it through, it is no different than slapping a "preset" across the master bus, the difference is it is supposed to emulate a "pre-master" preset...really? 
 
I really have a hard time believing a real mastering engineer would support this idea on any level, it's like saying "send me an mp3 so I can master it for you"...what you are describing is not mixing it is not mastering it is not engineering...it is sales and math...get back to the art of the studio, I don't find ny of this helpful or predictive except for sales, and therein is my problem Cakewalk seems to not want to play on the same playing field as the big boys, fine so be it.

cparmerlee

stxx
The headroom is needed so things don't get overly crunched from the get go.  

People keep saying that.  Please explain why their process should not always begin with a normalization step to force the headroom to exactly the amount they need for their algorithms.

I don't know if LANDR does or does not normalize, but here are some really good reasons not to.
 

• In classical music, some movements are quiet and never hit 0, let alone -6. The last thing you want is the solo harpsichord movements in the Brandenburgs coming in at 0.
• Same thing for individual cuts with chill, ambient, and new age.
• If you've spent a lot of effort balancing mixes for an album, you don't want someone to decide the balance among songs should be different.
• If indeed LANDR doesn't normalize, then that gives you a lot more control over how your mix interacts with the algorithm. Anyone who's varied the input level to a compressor or limiter knows what I'm talking about.

Psychobillybob

Anderton

Psychobillybob
It seems odd to me that Cakewalk wants to be taken seriously by the industry but then instead incorporates services that no real industry engineer would use...it's like saying we want to be professional just like the amateurs are...if you think people like Brad Blackwood or other mastering guys are not worth paying then you have no idea what you are doing, if you think some paid subscription service can get even remotely close to what those guys do you are uninformed...this is a bad idea just like gobbler and you guys need to hire some real audio studio engineers to work with your product development the team you have now is missing the boat.

Read pages 6 and 7. Even LANDR itself says this is NOT designed to replace traditional mastering engineers, but complement what they do. Anyone who thinks that the purpose of LANDR is to substitute robot-driven mastering on gigs normally done by professional mastering engineers is clueless about the concept.
 
I'm a professional mastering engineer. I've already explained how it benefits professional mastering engineers if they have clients with access to LANDR. 
 
 

Craig I appreciate that you've taken the time to look at this but really, its an algorithm...no matter what style of music you throw
at it, the results will be the same, how is that helpful in the slightest? Think it through, it is no different than slapping a "preset" across the master bus, the difference is it is supposed to emulate a "pre-master" preset...really? 
 
I really have a hard time believing a real mastering engineer would support this idea on any level.

What in the following from the linked material does not make sense to you as why I would welcome clients having access to this:
 
As a professional mastering engineer who is not threatened by LANDR at all (remember, LANDR doesn't do surgical mastering or restoration, only processing), I would have LOVED it if people could have had a free preview of what the dynamics processing they ask me to do would actually do to their music. For many clients I do separate masters with varying degrees of squashing, particularly if they ask me for maximum squashing and I'm trying to talk them out of it. It would be so easy if they compared what they wanted to one of the three options in LANDR.
 
And as any pro mastering engineer knows, adding dynamics and EQ changes will change the mix. I've had to do many a back-and-forth with a client because doing what they wanted altered the mix, so I suggested how to tweak their mix to preserve it in the light of what they wanted, and did another round. It would have saved me a lot of time if they could have had a rough idea - for free - before sending me their mix to master.