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2016/04/02 21:12:03
Sylvan
Dave000
Karyn
You can't work with video within Sonar.  It will playback video in sync so you can do your normal audio stuff, but that's it.
 
The usual way to do what you want is to import your finished audio to your video editor, then edit the video to match the audio.


I'm just asking not being a smart butt... I don't know in Splat but in Sonar8, I imported video then added and edited audio to the finished video. Deleted original audio and added new audio... that can't be done in Splat? 
 
I did this a few years back the, dog voice was added in Sonar 8 as the video played. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbsKKhTiJxQ


Well, yes, you can still do that in Platinum. If you prefer to import you edited video into SONAR, you can record, mix, and edit the audio to the video in SONAR. You just can no longer edit the video in SONAR. So many seem to prefer (for music related projects) to do all the audio in SONAR and import that audio into a video editor like Sony Vegas for video editing.
 
However, if you have a gig doing a score, sound design, foley, ADR, etc... for post production video, then you would normally be handed the already edited video which you would import into SONAR to do all the audio.
2016/04/07 08:55:59
joeb1cannoli
 I ended purchasing a Canon Vixia H RF700 and Sony Movie Studio 13 Platinum ( good recommendation Sylvan. thanks)
 With little time to learn how to use it and to small of a memory card (Best Buy employee recommendation), I ended up with a bit dark and a bit grainy video.
  I recorded audio with Rode NT5 pair into a small Mackie board into my laptop running Cakewalk Music creator. I was easily able to line up the audio and video within the Sony software.
  I was able to get the audio quality decent using some plugins. (I need to shout out to Melodyne 4 Studio's EQ and Izotope Ozone 7)
  The result is far from Professional, but it's a start and it got us some usable footage. I can see myself gear lusting for video equipment and video software upgrades now!
 
2016/04/07 10:50:01
dwardzala
I am happy to hear that you got something usable out of your efforts.
 
There is as much that goes into video to get a good quality picture (maybe more, but don't ever let any video guys know this) than getting good audio.  Lighting, camera settings (white balance, etc.) are all things that need to be taken into account.
 
If you continue to try to go on this path, I wish you luck.  There is awful lot of learning involved.  Finding an inexpensive contractor to do this stuff for you (at least the shooting part) will likely get you much better results faster.
2016/04/07 11:02:52
AT
On a PC, Vegas is the way to go.  The studio version is basically the same engine as the pro/platinum, just without the effects.  Movie effects are like VSTs for video.  But for just for editing/sequencing etc., studio works as well as Pro the same way the entry level version of SONAR can record/edit your music - you just don't get the synths and reverbs and such.
 
Vegas is a great audio recorder program, too, tho no midi (at least in the older versions I worked with).
2016/04/07 11:47:32
Brian Walton
joeb1cannoli
 I ended purchasing a Canon Vixia H RF700 and Sony Movie Studio 13 Platinum ( good recommendation Sylvan. thanks)
 With little time to learn how to use it and to small of a memory card (Best Buy employee recommendation), I ended up with a bit dark and a bit grainy video.
  I recorded audio with Rode NT5 pair into a small Mackie board into my laptop running Cakewalk Music creator. I was easily able to line up the audio and video within the Sony software.
  I was able to get the audio quality decent using some plugins. (I need to shout out to Melodyne 4 Studio's EQ and Izotope Ozone 7)
  The result is far from Professional, but it's a start and it got us some usable footage. I can see myself gear lusting for video equipment and video software upgrades now!
 


The Canon 700 is essentially the exact same camera they have been using since the 400/40 series (maybe even longer).  Though the new Canon has a longer battery life.  
 
Video with these Cams needs a lot of light to look correct.  Since you are recording yourself, this may or may not work, but consider setting the Mode to "P" instead of "Auto" and setting the White Balance manually.  (You will need a sheet of white paper on the stage, zoom in on it and "set" it at that.  I find that the auto setting can be decent in the right light, but manually setting the white balance can make things look much more natural.  
 
Also, since you are just using a stereo pair.  The 700 has a mic in, just for temporary work you can use the manual levels and a cord run to the outputs of your mixer.  While it is still better to sync the final version in post after you have mastered things, it can give you something that is easier to listen to as you are doing your work in post (since the on board cam mics are brutal with loud volumes).  
 
Certainly experiment.  
2016/04/07 13:47:51
patm300e
Just out of curiosity for Video, did you consider using your camera (not the one on your phone, but DSLR or equivalent)?  Some of them shoot video up to 4K now and do a decent job.  As far as audio goes, maybe replacing the built in mikes with RODEs?  This MAY give you a usable video.  I would also record the audio using SONAR  and if necessary, you will have to sync them up.  Note on syncing:  A friend of mine IS a technical director and knows video.  He says the best thing to sync bands is to have the drummer hit his sticks together (Like counting into a song at the beginning.  This performs the same function as the clapper used for films!
2016/04/07 14:01:47
mettelus
joeb1cannoli
 
With little time to learn how to use it and to small of a memory card (Best Buy employee recommendation), I ended up with a bit dark and a bit grainy video.




+1 on the experimenting (and have fun with the learning). Test takes are as important as with doing audio to check picture quality and performance. Lighting may be the main issue with "dark" but when you mentioned "grainy" it may also be affected some by resolution (lower quality). When you mentioned "memory card," I wanted to throw out that high quality video consumes massive amounts of memory quickly (1GB or so per minute +/-) ... definitely puts audio consumption to shame. The best recording method for highest quality is to stream the video/audio from the camera to a computer (and possibly a separate computer from the one capturing audio, depending on performance). Streaming not to process, but simply write to disk.
 
The memory card is useful for "on the fly" portable scenarios, but if you can stream to disk, it will allow you to capture the highest possible quality and then "dither it down" as you do post-production (chop it up into songs, adjust resolution, etc.)
 
When testing, try maxing out resolution in a good lighting situation (brightest lights behind the camera focused on the subject), and note the memory consumption. Can be short-and-sweet (like 15 seconds) and then look at that in Movie Studio. Note the memory usage and use that as a thumb rule for planning your setup going forward.
 
Note: For audio, the camera mic is often captured, but the "real audio" comes from a second source (good mic), which is where the "obvious hand claps" are useful for aligning the mic audio to the video audio (then deleting the video audio track).
2016/04/07 14:47:50
Brian Walton
patm300e
Just out of curiosity for Video, did you consider using your camera (not the one on your phone, but DSLR or equivalent)?  Some of them shoot video up to 4K now and do a decent job.  As far as audio goes, maybe replacing the built in mikes with RODEs?  This MAY give you a usable video.  I would also record the audio using SONAR  and if necessary, you will have to sync them up.  Note on syncing:  A friend of mine IS a technical director and knows video.  He says the best thing to sync bands is to have the drummer hit his sticks together (Like counting into a song at the beginning.  This performs the same function as the clapper used for films!


Many DSLRs have a ~10min record time limitation which is brutal for shooting a live band.  They also are less forgiving in the setup, for someone that wants to just leave it running (not actually man the cam while filming).  
 
Agree on the drummer stick hits for sync points.  
2016/04/08 06:59:24
patm300e
Brian Walton
Many DSLRs have a ~10min record time limitation which is brutal for shooting a live band.  

My relatively cheap (~250$ US) Bridge Camera Panasonic Lumix FZ200 does not have that limit, it is limited by the size of the SD card.  It IS HD, but not 4K.
 
I agree that they are less forgiving than a dedicated camera, but I have gotten fairly good results with it. 
+1 on experimentation  If possible try to get there early and set up some tests with different lighting.  Fluorescents can cause issues if that is the lighting!
 
2016/04/08 08:13:31
Pragi
Hello,
 I can also recommend a panasonic camera-work with the Hc V707 since years-
delivers good results even by  darker light (good focus lens aso). The Panasonic 700th
replacemnet should be a good choice.
As video software I like to work with Sony Movie Studio 12 (there are upgrades available- around 40 bucks or so)
which is imo very intuitiv to handle for someone who works with Splat.
regards
 
 
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