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2015/08/18 12:18:34
Beepster
Just went to freeze a specific synth in the rack and the freeze button seems to be disabled/grey'd out. There is also another synth entry grey'd out which is a second instnace of a synth that ISN'T grey'd out. It's weird.
 
So...
 
SI Bass = Can't Freeze in synth rack (only one instance of SI Bass)
 
DimPro = I can Freeze the first instance but not the second instance.
 
All my other synths can be "Frozen" (SI Strings, AD2, Z3TA + 2)
 
Not a huge deal but I'm just wondering why this would happen. I kind of like freezing a synth without freezing the tracks (which would allow me to still futz with the effects even if the synth is frozen).
 
Cheers and thanks.
 
PS: I don't think this is a bug (yet). I just figure there is a legitimate reason this is happening and I would like to know why.
2015/08/18 12:43:18
brundlefly
All grayed out means it's "disconnected"; right-click the Synth tab (IIRC - not in front of my DAW now) to get the Connect/Disconnect option. Disconnection happens automatically on freeze also, but can be done independently.
 
I'm not sure right offhand about only the freeze button being grayed out... maybe an issue with audio track not having the synth output assigned as input or being archived or something.
2015/08/18 12:44:44
Songroom
Hi,
 
It may not be due to the same issue, but yesterday I noticed that a couple of my synth freeze buttons were greyed out. After a bit of poking around, I found that by clicking the adjacement mute button (on / off), the freeze buttons became enabled.
 
 
 
2015/08/18 13:03:39
kzmaier
+1 on the mute toggle.
2015/08/18 13:27:39
Beepster
Songroom
Hi,
 
It may not be due to the same issue, but yesterday I noticed that a couple of my synth freeze buttons were greyed out. After a bit of poking around, I found that by clicking the adjacement mute button (on / off), the freeze buttons became enabled.
 



This totally worked and actually free'd up the Freeze button on the OTHER synth that was misbehaving. Thank you muchly!
 
I cannot see any logical reason for this behavior so I'm inclined to think this is a bug (seriously I was not hunting or reporting bugs... I just thought I was doing something wrong).
 
Dear, Hosts... please let others confirm (if necessary) then move this to the Problem Reports forum (sorry I don't have time to submit a proper report myself).
 
If there IS a logical reason for this behavior I am still interested in hearing.
 
Again... many thanks, Songroom.
 
Cheeeeers!!!!
 
PS: Brundle... that is still good info so I marked your post helpful as well. Thanks.
2015/08/18 16:00:13
Songroom
You're welcome Beepster...
 

It was a coincidence that it happen to me last night,  I only remembered it when I saw your original post :-)
2015/08/18 16:27:14
DRanck
I don't see it as a bug. Freezing means bouncing, and you don't / can't bounce muted tracks.
2015/08/18 16:45:51
Beepster
DRanck
I don't see it as a bug. Freezing means bouncing, and you don't / can't bounce muted tracks.



Tracks weren't muted though. The "toggle" on the mute has to occur in the Synth Rack.
 
Essentially I had full active synths going to fully active MIDI tracks and audio outputs (totally audible and rippin' away).
 
When I went to the synth rack two of the five synths' Freeze Buttons were grey'd out (unable to Freeze).
 
By clicking one of the Mute buttons on one of the two synths affected (clicking on the Mute buttons in the actual synth rack) made the Freeze buttons become automagically available. It was weird and I don't think without Songroom's coincidental discovery I would have figured it out.
 
Probably requires further testing...
 
I actually now am realizing maybe I created a circumstance that led to this though.... and perhaps I lied a little when I said nothing was muted. The SI Bass track MAY have been muted BUT the new DimPro track was definitely not muted. They were somewhat connected in the sense I manually copied the MIDI clip into the new DimPro track (I wanted the SI Bass track to play through DP instead... and I MANUALLY set up the DP track... I did not let the insert synth options do it for me).
 
Whatever... if it is a specific bug related to that somehow then maybe I have uncovered something completely obscure (due to manually setting up the MIDI and Instrument tracks then copying the MIDI from a (possibly) muted track into it). The new, unmuted, DimPro track should not have been affected even if the SI Bass track was muted AND by toggling the DimPro instance' mute button in the rack should not have made the Freeze button available on the muted SI track under the conditions you describe.
 
I am not making any sense at this point so I'll stop but yeah... this may have happened under some strange conditions and may be what happened to Songroom as well.
 
Anyway... I'll keep an eye on it and see if I encounter any more weird behavior. I am doing a lot of manual synth set up and pasting MIDI into that setup's MID track so if that IS the case this will likely happen again.
 
 
Cheers!
2015/11/09 08:27:45
kzmaier
Well I used the mute toggle yesterday to make the freeze button available and when I pushed the freeze button Sonar crashed.  Lost some work.  I was cleaning up after the tracking phase.  The synth I was freezing was the Cakewalk Sound Center (Rapture under the hood).  After restarting the PC I was able to freeze the synth???
 
I will be saving before doing this work-around again.
2015/11/09 08:30:43
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
The button will be grayed out if the synth is a Transformer - patched inside a track effects bin instead of the synth rack. In that case you can't independently freeze the synth.
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