BRuys
Did you find the button that does a more comprehensive tempo scan?  I'm not in the studio now, but it's called something like "in depth tempo scan".

 
Nice one! I did not find this button. I was just looking for proof that it worked fairly well. It does appear to work fairly well. On 3 songs I analyzed it seemed fairly close. I turned on the click and the click seemed inline with the tune.
 
The idea of getting the drums to more tightly match the guitar playing by first recording guitar to a fixed tempo, then analyzing the tempo in Melodyne and pushing it back to the original project definitely interested me. I play along to a fixed tempo drum part fairly often and it does seem a little mechanical. It would be nice if there was the slight variance in the drums that might come from the drummer listening to me as he plays.

Could someone write out the exact steps to get M4's tempo map into sonar?  For example, I'm playing some live piano into Sonar, I have M4 analyze the tempo and can see the nice tempo graphic up top... Now what???  I am clueless... Sonar continues to play whatever tempo (ie, 120) it's set for and is totally out of sync to my freeform piano done without a click.  FWIW, even though I upgraded to editor long time ago, I've never gotten around to using Melodyne and just upgraded to Studio4...for the tempo possibilities alone.  For this I will learn it! I LOVE not using a click as it is way more emotionally intuitive, playing wise...
 
So if you were gonna explain to an idiot... what would you say?  Someone pointed me to this thread but it doesn't help... Thanks!

Vastman,
I have not had time to do this but there are some videos about Sonar fit to improvisation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnAqjtXglOQ
There are more in the Youtube sidebar.
AFAIK, you export the Melodyne tempo to MIDI, import into Sonar and use fit to improvisation on the MIDI track. ALso. I have read that you have to use Melodyne standalone in order to do this (not in ARA region mode inside Sonar).

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Vastman,
I have not had time to do this but there are some videos about Sonar fit to improvisation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnAqjtXglOQ
There are more in the Youtube sidebar.
AFAIK, you export the Melodyne tempo to MIDI, import into Sonar and use fit to improvisation on the MIDI track. ALso. I have read that you have to use Melodyne standalone in order to do this (not in ARA region mode inside Sonar).

I'm missing something... here's what I've done and it doesn't work:
 

1. export the piano as a wav file
2. bring up M4studio external desktop program
3. load the wav into M4... select all (don't know if this is necessary)
4. Click Edit, go to Temp at bottom, click Detect Tempo of Selection
5. File export, Tempo map... (entire length) I save it
6. Go to Sonar, add midi track (don't know if that's necessary...) File import,  Midi 
7. Select the exported midi track (.mid)
8. Sonar LOOKS like it's importing it but nothing happens on the screen, no tempo map appears, and it continues to play at 120 and ignore what ever it invisibly imported.  I've also tried to just pull the midi file onto a track or onto the temp map... nothing...

 
What am I doing wrong?   I JUST updated to Manchester... before trying this.
 

I do not believe tempo data is imported with a MIDI file. To load tempo data with a MIDI file, the file must be opened using File > Open.

Thanks, Scook... I'll give that a try... would be good to lay out how to do.  S1v3 has a real nice writeup/pdf from a forum member
 
see ya in 5 minutes!

Well, that doesn't make sense!  It opens a new song and indeed inserts the tempo map but now I've gotta copy my piano over from the other song... it works but OY!
 
If this is how we do it, it's frustrating... but it does seem to work...
 

I'm not seeing the export to midi.  Think it might be because I'm running the demo version?  All I see under Export is WAV and AIFF.
 
Cheers,
 
jayson

jayson
I'm not seeing the export to midi.  Think it might be because I'm running the demo version?  All I see under Export is WAV and AIFF.
 
Cheers,
 
jayson

This has to be done in the external version of melodyne...
kinda clugy... 
 

OK, so this is the clugy system that seems to work:

1. export the piano as a wav file
2. bring up M4studio or editor's external desktop program
3. load the wav into M4... select all (don't know if this is necessary)
4. Click Edit, go to Temp at bottom, click Detect Tempo of Selection
5. File export, Tempo map... save it
6. Go to Sonar, Go to file open, and select the saved tempo map (the .mid file in "5" above) your essentially opening up a new song
7. It will import the tempo map... 
8. Then you can re-import the wav file melodyne analyzed into this new song.

This is real wacked, especially if you have several live tracks to save and reimport...
 
Studio1 v.3 has a much better/easy/direct ara system per a pdf prepared by a forum member I reviewed while trying to figure this out.  Imports directly in the same song into the tempo map.
 
I'm sure the bakers are gonna fix this but it's NOT fixed in Manchester as I'm running it...
 
Thanks, scook