I think I borked my install.  E-mail sent to Celemony support.
 
Cheers,
 
jayson

Just uninstall and reinstall... 

Vastman
OK, so this is the clugy system that seems to work:

1. export the piano as a wav file
2. bring up M4studio or editor's external desktop program
3. load the wav into M4... select all (don't know if this is necessary)
4. Click Edit, go to Temp at bottom, click Detect Tempo of Selection
5. File export, Tempo map... save it
6. Go to Sonar, Go to file open, and select the saved tempo map (the .mid file in "5" above)
7. It will import the tempo map... 
8. Then you can re-import the wav file melodyne analyzed into this new song.

This is real wacked, especially if you have several live tracks to save and reimport...
 
Studio1 v.3 has a much better/easy/direct ara system per a pdf prepared by a forum member I reviewed while trying to figure this out.  Imports directly in the same song into the tempo map.
 
I'm sure the bakers are gonna fix this but it's NOT fixed in Manchester as I'm running it...
 
Thanks, scook
 

A slight tweak to your recipe above might be to open the exported midi in a new Sonar project, then copy the midi data and paste it into the audio project.  From there use "Fit to Improvisation" to pull the tempo into Sonar.
 
That said, the main reason for this thread (self evident in its title), was to ask if this new tempo detecting feature could be integrated into Sonar's ARA plug-in architecture.  If they do this, we can hopefully stop jumping flaming hoops to make it work :)

BRuys

Vastman
OK, so this is the clugy system that seems to work:

1. export the piano as a wav file
2. bring up M4studio or editor's external desktop program
3. load the wav into M4... select all (don't know if this is necessary)
4. Click Edit, go to Temp at bottom, click Detect Tempo of Selection
5. File export, Tempo map... save it
6. Go to Sonar, Go to file open, and select the saved tempo map (the .mid file in "5" above)
7. It will import the tempo map... 
8. Then you can re-import the wav file melodyne analyzed into this new song.

This is real wacked, especially if you have several live tracks to save and reimport...
 
Studio1 v.3 has a much better/easy/direct ara system per a pdf prepared by a forum member I reviewed while trying to figure this out.  Imports directly in the same song into the tempo map.
 
I'm sure the bakers are gonna fix this but it's NOT fixed in Manchester as I'm running it...
 
Thanks, scook
 

A slight tweak to your recipe above might be to open the exported midi in a new Sonar project, then copy the midi data and paste it into the audio project.  From there use "Fit to Improvisation" to pull the tempo into Sonar.
 
That said, the main reason for this thread (self evident in its title), was to ask if this new tempo detecting feature could be integrated into Sonar's ARA plug-in architecture.  If they do this, we can hopefully stop jumping flaming hoops to make it work :)

Yep... that works too! But you don't have to "fit to improvisation"... you just paste it into sonar.  just tried it!  Would be a better way if you had several live band tracks.  Good catch! So here's the alternate:
 
 

• export the free form piano part or parts as a wav file
• bring up M4studio or editor's external desktop program
• load the wav into M4... select all (don't know if this is necessary)
• Click Edit, go to Temp at bottom, click Detect Tempo of Selection
• File export, Tempo map... save it
• Go to Sonar, Go to file open, and select the saved tempo map (the .mid file in "5" above)
• It will import the tempo map... 
• Then you right click and select copy tempo...
• Then go to your original song and carefully paste it in at the beginning... it'll create the tempo map you can view  from views.  You can delete the midi track or use it for other things.

Vastman
Yep... that works too! But you don't have to "fit to improvisation"... you just paste it into sonar.  just tried it!  Would be a better way if you had several live band tracks.  Good catch! So here's the alternate...

Nice work putting together the steps.  At least we have a work-around for the time being.
 
Bill.

Yea... the big problem with this, aside from it being a lot more work...is the "tempo" functions within Sonar are very crude...so once you bring it in from melodyne... you can't adjust it in melodyne without going thru the process again. Or you're kinda stuck or limited to Sonars cruder tools.  If the temp map were immediately available in the daw, within melodyne...you can tweak it easier cause it has better tools/visual feedback.  This should be directly transferable to sonar so melodyne can be closed.  Further tweaks can be done just by redefining a region and rejiggering it.  I think... that's the way it should work.
 
 

Hey Dana, there is a way to remove your first three steps.  That is to add Melodyne to Sonar's 'Utilities' menu.  As long as the 'type' is set to 'WaveEditor', Sonar will send the audio clip to the app.  Once that's done, you just select a clip, go to Utilities and choose your newly added 'Melodyne' entry in Sonar - this opens Melodyne with the clip already loaded.  Just make a new key under HKLM\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\Tools Menu like I have here:
 
This will shorten the process for you.  And if working on your second iteration of your recipe, you keep your original project open, but open the exported midi clip in a new Sonar project, from where you copy it to your existing project.
 
If you're not familiar with or comfortable editing the registry, let me know and I can send you a .reg file that will add it automatically.
 
Bill.

"

• Then you right click and select copy tempo...
• Then go to your original song and carefully paste it in at the beginning... it'll create the tempo map you can view  from views.  You can delete the midi track or use it for other things."

Having trouble with the last 2 steps, can you please be a little more specific. Right click where? Copy to where?

I'm not at my daw right now but i recall making an empty midi track...hovering at the beginning of it and right clicking and selecting paste.

If you are sloppy as i was once...and don't click right on 0, the map will start wherever your cursor is and everything before the cursor will be the tempo of your daw...

If that happens just right click and paste again... I'm right pasting the tempo map inn the empty midi track as it's amidi file...Being more careful...That should work. Let me know

I tested my delays after listening to the post with the example, and I believe I found one that works. bos digital labs Imperial delay.