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  • 12/8 and 4/4 time signatures together in perfect harmony (or at least in MIDI). Possible ? (p.2)
2016/03/29 12:58:40
michael diemer
dannyjmusic
U less I'm missing something
12/8 is the same as 4/4 with an 8th triplet on every beat. You would just make sure the triplet 8th notes are the same tempo as the 8th notes in the 12/8 bar
It's really just how you count them in you head
The feel is basically the same

No, you are right. It's just that in 12/8, you don't need triplets. Three 1/8 notes in 12/8=One Triplet group in 4/4. As sonar tends to have problems with tuplets, I sometimes go with the 12/8 if I have extended periods with 1/8 note triplets. On the other hand, in 12/8 you will sometimes have to use duplets for double 1/8 note figures. Just depends on which way you would have more tuplets (tuplets being the generic term for duplets, tuplets, quadruplets, etc).
2016/03/29 14:11:02
mettelus
I would go the route Bapu mentioned as well, but made me wonder if you can get away with freezing synths in a project (so no "MIDI" is exposed - only audio) and then change the time signature on the entire project and work the other part "in place." I have honestly never tried this, so not sure if it is a feasible option (i.e., not sure how that frozen track would react to a signature change).
2016/03/29 17:34:06
Bristol_Jonesey
I'm just thinking out loud here, but what would happen if you set the time sig to 12/8 - record all those passages then change it to 4/4 for those bits? All in Midi I mean. Would it totally screw the timing up?
 
 
2016/03/29 17:37:51
Sanderxpander
If you position lock the data I think it should work.
2016/03/29 18:00:32
azslow3
Sanderxpander
If you position lock the data I think it should work.

MIDI clips "lock" does not fix absolute time for events. Events are timed in ticks, so in M:B:T domain and so changing the tempo still influence locked MIDI.
 
The method I have mentioned before recalculates event positions in one tempo (signature) to another using absolute time. It calculates absolute time for every note in the original (for that clip) tempo/signature and map the result to the current tempo/signature. The first part is what happens during rendering MIDI into audio, but the second conversion is what allows to keep the result in MIDI format.
2016/03/30 00:57:51
Sanderxpander
Ah thanks for clearing that up.
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