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2016/03/11 22:37:30
tenfoot
BenMMusTech
I've experimented with stuff, ever since the beginning...and use to ask the same question.  They're actually more trouble than they're worth...unless you need a remote control to start recording.  And for this they're many apps to achieve this.  And as Anderton says get a small touch screen, which I also have...but again it's more trouble than it's worth.
 
Ben


The whole point is that they are not more trouble than they are worth when they work properly,  as does the remote for Studio One that John mentioned and the app for my X32. 
 
And could we PLEASE have just one discussion without some idiot bangin' on about how the membership model sucks and Sonar is doomed.  Oh wait..... Too late. 
2016/03/11 23:03:06
John
Right Bruce. Proof of concept is the Studio One Remote. 
 
 
 
 
2016/03/11 23:42:58
MelodicJimmy
The way I feel about this is that Sonar falls under the category of "technology" product (of course after music).  Everything else seems to be integrating with everything else.  I still don't understand why I can't rewire Sibelius into Sonar.  Why?  I'm sure you can do it with one of the other programs.  I don't understand why Cubase, Logic and, as brought to my attention in this thread, Studio One have apps to remotely control their features on ipad and Android devices, but Sonar doesn't. 
 
My overall point is this:  I ****ing LOVE Sonar Platinum.  I really do.  I'm not complaining about the stability or anything like that.  It's absolutely rock solid.  ****ing awesome.  But, I guess I'm just baffled that it's such a great program and .... there's these stupid little things that aren't addressed? 
 
WHY?
2016/03/11 23:59:39
tenfoot
Keni
In some situations I use v-control (free) for visuals and a Studiomix (peavey-yeah, old) for basic transport control.

If I cold afford he paid version I wouldn't need the Studiomix as the paid version has full support...

It works just fine...
I don't often need this, but it can be handy to have. Why should Cakewalk spend time on this when it's already available... I'm told the paid version of v-control allies full access to all Sonar on-screen stuff too...

 
I tried Vcontrol a while ago Kenni.  Seemed to work OK, but still had its moments. On top of this,  last time I checked they wanted $50 per year subscription for what amounts to control via apple bonjour embedded in an android browser.  Anyone that thinks Sonar's membership plan isn't a bargain should take a peek at that!
 
Operational quirks of Vcontrol aside,  I don't think the fact that a paid option exists is a great justification for not adding a feature to Sonar. I really like fab filter plugins,  but they wouldn't justify the absence of onboard EQ and compression in Sonar. 
2016/03/12 00:12:35
Anderton
MelodicJimmy
"just get a small touchscreen"
 
I'm not being a jerk here, honestly.... but, what was the point of that reply?  I don't even understand what you said.  I'm asking why Sonar doesn't have an app to be able to control it remotely and you said, "just get a small touchscreen."  Why'd you say that?  Again, not being confrontational, just .... confused. 

 
Sorry, it was an attempt at humor - I included the  to try and indicate that. SONAR is touch-enabled...an iPad is a small touchscreen...so if you get a small touchscreen, you can pretend you have an iPad-like touch controller for SONAR.
 
A wireless remote is a different matter, of course. I have only two needs for a remote. One is when doing vocals, the other while standing at a keyboard. For vocals, I use a wireless QWERTY keyboard which is fine, because all I really need is start, stop, record. For keyboards, I just assign some unused keys to the transport.
 
I've used iPad remotes for live sound, which is an insanely wonderful application because you can walk around the room and tweak, so I'm not against remotes at all. It's just that in the studio, I really don't feel the need for anything other than remote transport control, which can be done in several ways. And if I drop the QWERTY keyboard, I'm out only $20 compared to dropping an iPad 
2016/03/12 00:23:28
tenfoot
Anderton
 
I've used iPad remotes for live sound, which is an insanely wonderful application because you can walk around the room and tweak, so I'm not against remotes at all. It's just that in the studio, I really don't feel the need for anything other than remote transport control, which can be done in several ways. And if I drop the QWERTY keyboard, I'm out only $20 compared to dropping an iPad 


Remote transport control is exactly what we need,  and as mentioned other DAW 's now include an app to do exactly that.  A wireless keyboard is nowhere near as good as it gives no indication of track record or playback location/status if you can't see your PC screen. 
You must find it difficult answering your phone Craig.  Surely you don't take it out and use it.  You might drop it.  
2016/03/12 00:34:36
Anderton
tenfoot
Anderton
 
I've used iPad remotes for live sound, which is an insanely wonderful application because you can walk around the room and tweak, so I'm not against remotes at all. It's just that in the studio, I really don't feel the need for anything other than remote transport control, which can be done in several ways. And if I drop the QWERTY keyboard, I'm out only $20 compared to dropping an iPad 


Remote transport control is exactly what we need,  and as mentioned other DAW 's now include an app to do exactly that.  A wireless keyboard is nowhere near as good as it gives no indication of track record or playback location/status if you can't see your PC screen. 
You must find it difficult answering your phone Craig.  Surely you don't take it out and use it.  You might drop it.  



Hey, I never said other people don't need it, I said I really don't feel the need for it. Which is true. When I'm doing vocals, I have the punch points set up and the now time set to rewind for some pre-roll. So I just type R and start recording. When I'm done recording, I hit the space bar. If I need to do it again, I type R again. I have simple needs 
 
And didn't the smiley at the end of the line about dropping the keyboard indicate that maybe I was being facetious? Okay, I'll go back to being serious again and post Friday's Tip of the Week.
2016/03/12 00:51:35
Anderton
tenfoot
 
The whole point is that they are not more trouble than they are worth when they work properly,  as does the remote for Studio One that John mentioned and the app for my X32.

 
I've used the PreSonus remote with the StudioLive stuff, it works extremely well. But I like their "Wheel of Me" control concept even better, where individuals can control their own monitor mixes. I did have the remote set up for Studio One and it worked fine, but I couldn't really figure out a good use for it.
 
And could we PLEASE have just one discussion without some idiot bangin' on about how the membership model sucks and Sonar is doomed.  Oh wait..... Too late.

 
It's not some idiot, it's the same idiot from Australia who comes in here periodically, using a variety of alts, to dump on SONAR and the forum community.
 
2016/03/12 01:02:29
tenfoot
Anderton
tenfoot
Anderton
 
I've used iPad remotes for live sound, which is an insanely wonderful application because you can walk around the room and tweak, so I'm not against remotes at all. It's just that in the studio, I really don't feel the need for anything other than remote transport control, which can be done in several ways. And if I drop the QWERTY keyboard, I'm out only $20 compared to dropping an iPad 


Remote transport control is exactly what we need,  and as mentioned other DAW 's now include an app to do exactly that.  A wireless keyboard is nowhere near as good as it gives no indication of track record or playback location/status if you can't see your PC screen. 
You must find it difficult answering your phone Craig.  Surely you don't take it out and use it.  You might drop it.  



Hey, I never said other people don't need it, I said I really don't feel the need for it. Which is true. When I'm doing vocals, I have the punch points set up and the now time set to rewind for some pre-roll. So I just type R and start recording. When I'm done recording, I hit the space bar. If I need to do it again, I type R again. I have simple needs 
 
And didn't the smiley at the end of the line about dropping the keyboard indicate that maybe I was being facetious? Okay, I'll go back to being serious again and post Friday's Tip of the Week.


 
I do the same with a wireless keyboard.  I think an app with visual feedback,  and dare I dream,  the ability to change to and record enable a new track,  would be a great improvement and excellent feature for Sonar though. 
Perhaps I am simple but my needs are not.  
 
Yeah -  I got the smiley.  You might notice I put one on my drop comment too!  All in good fun.  
2016/03/12 01:09:25
Anderton
My favorite remote was still the DigiTech GNX4. That had a control surface plug-in for SONAR where you could record-enable new tracks and do all kinds of cool stuff. It was wired, but for a guitar player with both hands occupied, it was great. In a similar vein there's the POK which while not offering visuals, can bind keyboard shortcuts to footswitches. 
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