• SONAR
  • Hello and Goodbye (p.6)
2016/03/28 16:43:08
cryophonik
I just stopped by to tell you all that I've been a long-time Sonar user and forum member.  I still use Sonar, and will continue to use it even though I also use several other DAWs and frequent several other forums.  So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, ummmm, well, I'll still come around on occasion and still use Sonar for most of my work, but I will also continue to use other DAWs and go to other forums.
 
I think that fulfills my obligatory Sonar and Cakewalk forum usage status update.  When is the next one due again?
2016/03/28 16:50:50
gustabo

2016/03/28 17:24:55
bitflipper
bapu
Let's see. I've met (in person)
SteveStrummerUK
Jonbouy
Philz
ohGrant
quantumeffect
Randy Prier
Jan Eiken (RIP Jan)
Noel Borthwick
Seth & Ryan
Julibee
LanceInDaStudio
middleman
Bitflipper
Craig Anderton

Hey! Why am I so low on the list? 
 
 
2016/03/28 17:40:47
kevinwal
The attraction to these kinds of threads for me is simple. A lot of us have a great deal of emotional and financial investment in our pursuit of music. That includes the years we spend learning the basic infrastructure of music itself, the instruments we play and the voices we train. It then extends to the tools we use to create and record the music which, to do well requires as much investment of time and passion and money as it does to master an instrument. 
 
And all those years and hours of investment are done mostly alone, in our bedrooms or studios, repetitively hammering away at scales and licks and songs with such a singularity of focus that in many cases friends and even families struggle to understand the point of it all and some eventually go on with their lives without us. The personal and financial cost to achieve even modest levels of skill in this world can be considerable.
 
The one place we can go where we will be understood, where our devotion to music is not questioned as a stupid waste of time or a severe mental disorder , is here in online communities like this one. Perhaps it's because the habit of investment is by now second nature to most musicians that people here put so much time and effort into assisting those of us struggling with one concept or another, but whatever the reason is, they do it again and again, and have for years and I've yet to see a single request for a quid pro quo or even a simple pat on the back.
 
Most of us respond with our own small investments and post by post, a thing of beauty is continually shaped and reshaped, and it's something that we can all rightly take credit for and have some pride in. A lot of the trolling threads attack not just the quality of the software but the character of the community here too, so yeah, I'm interested when these pop up, because like most of you, I've invested here in my own small way and I don't much like it when vandals walk around spraying graffiti and breaking windows.
 
2016/03/28 17:50:23
Andrew Rossa
Vastman
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
Somewhere, videodv is looking at this thinking 'all I did was post a goodbye' and it spiraled into a 2 page thread :)


Well said, Andrew... it is crazy that so many spend time on a NO information goodby from a poster (likely a troll), constantly elevating it to the front page.  Maybe it's the amazing desire to help but we get these hit jobs all the time... should let them leave the front page and tend to REAL issues we can all help each other with...
 
BTW, It might be nice if you could check on the real status of such posters (ie, "no record of purchase" or "just demoed and not a real user") and post accordingly and just lock the thread when such occurs... 




This person is a legitimate customer who represented his or herself accurately. 
2016/03/28 18:00:28
Leee
JCody
Kinda shows how much "negative" has a pull on us. It kind of scares me. Had he posted, "Wow I sure love Sonar" it wouldn't have gone this far.


Negativity, confrontational posts, name-calling, threats, bad manners, are all staples of the Internet in general.
This forum is no exception, it's just part of the Internet culture of anti-social behavior.
I run a Facebook forum for an old NY progressive (classic rock) radio station, where the purpose is to share music and memories of DJ's, concerts, favorite albums, etc.   As soon as someone posts a question like "Who is the most over-rated rock band?", World War III breaks out with the above mentioned, name calling, threats, bad manners.
And I have to end up deleting the entire thread.  It happens every single time.   And the majority of the group's members are made up of baby-boomers, ex-hippies, and Beatles fans.   If fights can break out in a music forum made up of "flower children", they can break out anywhere, including a forum for DAW software.  Who'da thunk?

I could write an additional 5 paragraphs on how civility, respect and moral values have declined in America (and the world) over the past few decades, which is part of the reason we see this vicious negativity, but that's a topic for another time and place.
2016/03/28 18:10:02
Anderton
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
 
This person is a legitimate customer who represented his or herself accurately. 



Thanks, confirms what I thought.
2016/03/28 18:22:01
stevec
Anderton
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
 
This person is a legitimate customer who represented his or herself accurately. 



Thanks, confirms what I thought.




Yup...   as far as drive-by "I'm outta here" posts go, this just may be the most polite one I can recall.  Granted, there's not much to take away from it without more details from the OP, but if nothing else it was a good use of everyone's time.      Right?   
 
2016/03/28 18:49:21
kevinwal
I think so. Interesting exchange of ideas, no blood spilled. A good day.
2016/03/28 18:56:39
fitzj
joel77
What's with all these "I don't like Cakewalk/Sonar/this forum, so I'm leaving" posts lately? Why do people feel the need to tell anyone else that they are choosing to use another product? Seriously, does anyone care?
 
Not meaning to sound harsh, but don't these people have better things to do? Like getting on with learning their newly chosen DAW?
 
Sonar is not perfect, but news flash, .......... NEITHER IS ANY OTHER DAW!! Or ANY software product, for that matter. Go check out other software user forums. Full of threads about how the product doesn't work properly. 
 
Like other users here, I've got many. many years into using Sonar. Unless Cakewalk quits making Sonar, or they totally "F" it up, I don't have the time, nor do I wish to spend the time learning another DAW. Others may have their reasons for using more than one and I have dabbled with others, but I usually find that Sonar does what I need it to do. Plugins, ...... now THAT'S a different story! Or weakness ........
 
I may not be a serious power user like some, but I've always had success with Sonar. Any problems I can't figure out on my own, I've always been able to get helpful advice and guidance on this forum. 
 
Sorry, getting off the soapbox now. Back to work ....... 
 


They say the  culprit always returns to the scene of the crime. LOL


 
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