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2016/03/24 16:30:29
keefmeister
Has anyone using Monitorizer tried Waves Nx virtual mix room plugin?  
 
There are three videos on this page:
http://www.waves.com/plugins/nx#introducing-nx-virtual-mix-room
 
 
2016/03/24 16:34:19
Anderton
I had a chance to check out the NX at NAMM. It's much more involved than the Monitorizer, which is really designed to do only one thing. The NX struck me as something for virtual reality applications, because the sound reacts as it would if you moved your head. For example if you turn your head to the left, you'll hear most of the sound in your right ear. The Monitorizer assumes you're sitting in front of a pair of "speakers" and not moving around.
2016/03/24 22:55:33
jih64
Although partially correct, but mostly incorrect, you can as I do just turn that head tracking part off and leave it off, then it is and acts as you would expect.
 
As far as comparison goes, the Waves NX is leaps and bounds better, there is no comparison.
2016/03/25 00:47:22
Anderton
Gone!!
Although partially correct, but mostly incorrect...

 
Every sentence in my post is true.
 
...you can as I do just turn that head tracking part off and leave it off, then it is and acts as you would expect.

 
The OP had already seen three videos, he knew what it did. I was giving an opinion as to an intended NX application, and an example of something it could do with regards to that application. I reason I know one of its intended applications is for VR is because I discussed it with a Waves representative at NAMM. He told me the price would be $99.
 
Perhaps you could answer the OP's question about your opinion while trying it, or if you have used both the VRM and the NX, offer some insights about the difference between those because they lend themselves more appropriately to comparisons.
2016/03/25 05:34:46
sjd
Hi
 
Purchased this a few weeks ago and use it all the time now with headphones.
Virtual head movements a bit of a gimmick though, have that turned off!
 
Cheers
2016/03/25 06:41:43
Boydie
I religiously use the VRM box so would be really interested in comparisons with this if anyone has tried both

I particularly like the ability to listen on different speakers/ environments on the VRM box to virtually test a mix on different setups
2016/03/25 07:33:22
subtlearts
I have NX and have been using it on and off. Previously I used Toneboosters' Isone Pro, which is also quite nice and flexible. However NX seemed more realistic, so even though it's a bit less flexible I decided to grab it at the intro price. I just checked it against Monitorizer and I think it's considerably more subtle and realistic, but I haven't really tweaked Monitorizer so I don't want to speak against it - might work well for some. The head-tracking thing in NX is kind of amazing and as Craig says, probably has some interesting applications, but as others say it's a bit gimmicky and it's hard to see how it is likely to significantly improve mixing in the traditional sense. I wish there were a mix knob on it, as it's either on or off and on feels a bit heavy-handed to me. But the crossfeed, head modelling stuff and room sound of NX is really quite convincing. 
2016/03/25 09:02:19
bandso
I've noticed that with NX when you hear something that just a little off with a mix, say..like a lead guitar part is just a touch too loud in the headphones, it translates to being way too loud in the real world on normal speakers. However it does make it easier to hear things that can be buried in a mix when listening through speakers, like a sour note in a chord. I haven't tried the Monitorizer yet. Also my VRM box does sound less 3Dish than NX.  For only $49.00 it is another good tool to add to the arsenal.
 
2016/03/25 11:09:00
Anderton
Just to be clear, the intention of the Monitorizer was never to "compete" with products that are more ambitious, cost a hundred dollars and up, and are intended to model specific speakers or environments. It was designed to provide a reality test of what a mix will sound like over speakers in this age where mixing over headphones is commonplace, either due to being in a mobile situation or having picky neighbors or family members. As the eZine says...
 
There’s a difference between listening on headphones and listening on monitor speakers. Although mixing on headphones is great for catching details and immersing yourself in the music, the sometimes artificially wide stereo and unnatural perspective with effects can lead to mixes that don’t translate as well over speakers. With so many people using headphones for mixing because that’s ultimately how the music will be heard (as well as to avoid angry neighbors!), it helps to do a quick “reality check” on what music will sound like when played over speakers.
 
While not as sophisticated as some products that try to emulate a complete room environment down to the last detail, the Monitorizer is based on the same principles:
 
  • Feed a little left channel into the right channel, and feed a little right channel into the left channel.
  • Delay the additional feeds by 1-2 ms to emulate that the right speaker signal hitting your left ear is delayed slightly compared to when it hits your right ear, and the left speaker signal hitting your right ear is delayed slightly compared to when it hits your left ear.
  • Add in some very subtle reflections to be more like a "room."
  • Reduce the highs of the additional feeds just a tiny bit because your head is in the way and attenuates the highs.
 
The Monitorizer simply translates the above theory into practice. This effect can be as subtle as you want, based on how you adjust the controls. If your goal is to emulate what a mix will sound like over laptop speakers, a TV in your living room, studio monitors in a control room, etc. you need a modeling-based device like the VRM box.  
2016/03/25 11:37:20
subtlearts
Hey Craig... thanks for clarifying! I pretty much took all that as implicit, and didn't mean to demean the Monitorizer at all, hence my parsing of the comparison... In reality NX is probably overkill for my needs, but I'm a sucker for extremely clever/cool tech, plus I used to work for a company (a rather long time ago!) that was working on head-tracking applications for data visualization software, so it kind of piqued my interest in that side of it...
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