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2011/07/20 21:57:41
RTerrell7
Hopefully someone can knows how to do this and it's a simple answer that I just haven't found yet....
 
I have a Behringer Bass V-AMP Pro that I would like to control using Sonar Producer Edition.  Two things worthy of noting:
1.) I'm using an older version of Sonar (5.2) but I don't think that should matter since this is simply sending midi messages.
2.) The Bass V-AMP has the original EPROM.  By the time I knew I needed to get a new EPROM they were all gone.
 
I'm trying to control the device via midi.  I have done this with several other devices and have not had any issues.  I have isolated the device so it's the only device I have hooked up with the USB to midi converter.  I have the cables connected properly (midi out of the cable into the midi in on the v-amp, midi in of the cable into the midi through/out of the v-amp).  I'm sure the midi cable works as I have used it to control a keyboard without any issues.  I have set the midi channel to 14 on the v-amp (also tried other channels, but it's set to 14 now).  In the midi track, I have selected the midi controller that is connected to the v-amp for the Input and chose channel 14.  I have chosen the same midi controll for the Output.  For the Channel I selected 14 (I also tried None to see if that would help and it did not).  Here's where it gets goofy...or I'm missing something.  If I change the patch, the v-amp changes to the appropriate patch.....BUT, when I play the song, nothing plays!  I hooked up my headphones to the v-amp to see if there was an issue with the output and still heard nothing.  The midi controller has lights and I can see that the signal is being sent.
 
Please help if you can!  I would love to be able to use my equipment via midi!!!
 
Thank you in advance for any advice/help you can give.
2011/07/22 13:52:53
Deisel401rs
Your MIDI connections sound right but you said nothing about hooking up your audio cables. . . . . . .
2011/07/25 14:09:36
RTerrell7
I hooked up my audio cables through a mixer that is connected to the input of my sound card (EMU, not sure of the model...has 1/4", RCA, MIDI, and other connections).  This is used for recording purposes and the mixer is used more like a "hub" for multiple inputs as I record everything one instrument at a time.  The output of the sound card goes to an external speaker.  Again, this works for every other instrument I have so I know the connection is correct.  Also, if I hookup the headphones to the device, that eliminated any problem with the audio cables.
 
Thanks again for any help you can give!
 
One other thing...I found the upgrade EEPROM online and will be upgrading the unit in the next week or so.  Hopefully that will correct this, but I would like to know what the issue truly is instead of trying things one by one.
2011/07/26 05:32:34
Bristol_Jonesey
What are you expecting to hear?

Are you feeding an appropriate audio signal into the V-Amp?

The Behringer isn't a soft synth driven by Midi notes, it's an audio processor and you don't make any mention of what you're feeding it device with, apart form the Midi change messages.

Presumably you're either feeding a guitar straight in or have an audio track from Sonar routed to one of the inputs, but this point needs clarification.
2011/07/26 11:11:16
Cactus Music
I think your expecting a MIDI data stream to play sounds from the V amp. It is not a MIDI sound module. We repeat , just in case you are unaware, please don't be insulted, but Audio does not travel through a MIDI cable, only data.
2011/07/26 12:56:43
RTerrell7
Bristol_Jonesey


What are you expecting to hear?

Are you feeding an appropriate audio signal into the V-Amp?

The Behringer isn't a soft synth driven by Midi notes, it's an audio processor and you don't make any mention of what you're feeding it device with, apart form the Midi change messages.

Presumably you're either feeding a guitar straight in or have an audio track from Sonar routed to one of the inputs, but this point needs clarification.

So, you are saying that I can not have the v-amp play a midi note generated by Sonar?  I have a midi track in Sonar for the Bass.  I am trying to feed the v-amp midi information to have the device play the track based on the midi information it receives, i.e. pitch, duration, etc.  Is this even possible?  I've done it with other devices and I didn't see anything in the manual that would contradict this.  Also, I thought it had a synth mode...just thinking out loud.
 
I'm expecting to hear the exact note and duration with the preset that is all determined by the track information that Sonar is sending.
2011/07/26 15:32:57
Cactus Music
MIDI implementation includes program changes, control changes and SysEx, allowing complete MIDI automation through our free Windows editor software downloadable at www.behringer.com

The MIDI is for controlling patch changes. It's NOT a MIDI sound generating module.
It's a Bass EFX unit, You plug a REAL bass into it and play the bass.
All it would do is play a Soft synth sound VIA analog output of your audio interface and add modeling etc. There's no advantage to that, Sonar has it's own efxs.
2011/07/26 15:41:38
RTerrell7
Cactus Music


I think your expecting a MIDI data stream to play sounds from the V amp. It is not a MIDI sound module. We repeat , just in case you are unaware, please don't be insulted, but Audio does not travel through a MIDI cable, only data.


Where did you see anything about audio traveling through the midi cable?  I never once said or implied that.  I said I thought the device would play a sound based on the midi message it received.  Midi can pass pitch, duration, velocity, etc.  I understand it's not true audio, but it can tell the device it's hooked up to what note to play, how long to hold it, etc.  I'm doing this with several other devices.  If the v-amp can't do it, just say that.  There's no other way to take your last statement than as an insult based on all the posts here.
2011/07/26 16:08:16
Sidroe
You need  a synth module, or keyboard that generates bass sounds to accomplish what you want. The V-amp is what is refered to as a bass amplifier simulator. It allows you to plug a bass guitar into it and the V-amp is plugged direct into the mixer or computer, allowing your guitar to sound as if it is plugged into an amp. I believe Sonar 5 has some plugin synths if you want to tackle that. If you need help with that, I will watch this thread and try to help if possible. Good Luck.
2011/07/26 23:20:43
RTerrell7
Sidroe


You need  a synth module, or keyboard that generates bass sounds to accomplish what you want. The V-amp is what is refered to as a bass amplifier simulator. It allows you to plug a bass guitar into it and the V-amp is plugged direct into the mixer or computer, allowing your guitar to sound as if it is plugged into an amp. I believe Sonar 5 has some plugin synths if you want to tackle that. If you need help with that, I will watch this thread and try to help if possible. Good Luck.


Thank you!  I was hoping it could work this way...at least I know know there's not a problem with the v-amp!  I will definitely look into the plugin's but it may take a while.  Thanks again for the help!
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