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2015/11/09 09:11:41
Johnbee58
Thanks to all.  I DO have a small studio (5x12) that is carpeted but does need some more reinforcement.  I'm thinking about just buying some cargo blankets to hang them behind my workstation to kill what reflection is left.  That being said, the Apex condenser I have still does not sound very clean compared to my dynamic.  Was just wondering if a better and higher priced tube condenser would sound better than a cheap (-$100.00) condenser and what, if any differences I'd notice.
 
@tlw-Thanks especially for your post.  When I bought Sonar X3 last year I did so because I wanted a "real" DAW for a change.  I guess you just confirmed that I made the right choice.
 
JB
2015/11/09 09:38:47
lawajava
I've made strides in sound proofing and of course that helps.

But even without that in place, recording with the CAD Equitek E100s changed my captured vocals from sounding like Tiny Tim (before the CAD) to sounding like Chris Isaac.

I had / have several other mics including expensive condensers and dynamic mics including the Shure SM58.

I've retired my other mics to a drawer since I switched to the CAD.
2015/11/09 10:04:14
AT
A tube condenser is likely to be a worst buy than a FET and noisier to boot.  Especially at the lower end.  But I bet your small room is a problem, too.  A dynamic won't capture much of it while, I guess you have discovered, even a cheap condenser will.  A powered tube condenser will exasperate the bad sound since it will pick up more of the room since it likely has more gain than your interface preamps.  Depending upon the pattern, it will pick this up after rolling off the lows, producing the typical high-frequency scratchy signal.
 
A goody dynamic can produce good rock vocals and in your face production.  Not so good for delicate tone.  I prefer the RE20, but any of them should work in your situation as well as can be expected.  If you prefer a condenser, the C12 is well-liked from what I can tell.  I would be worried about the sound in such a small, untreated space.  I got a CAD Trion tube 8000 and it sounded terrible in my rather larger, but not fully-treated room.  For vocals, you have to get right on up on it, using the proximity effect in order to overcome the low-filtered room reflections.  My fear is that the C12 might suffer the same problems.  My Joly-mod Oktava 319 (FET condenser) has none of those and neither does the Micro Tech Gefell FETI just got.
 
If you just must get a condenser try a cheaper AKG or something and see if a condenser is right for your room.  Or an ebay Oktava 219/319 for a hundred or so (Joly and others can mod it so it is a better mic and great deal for the total outlay).  Since you seem to get hardware for a long time, I'd hate to see you blow a large amount on a mic that causes more problems than it solves for you.
2015/11/09 10:16:21
bitflipper
That really is a good microphone and a helluva bargain at 5 bills. However, given your situation I'm not sure a tube condenser is the best way to go.
 
If you're going to be using it just for vocals (as opposed to, say, acoustic guitars) then you'd probably get better results from a good dynamic mike. You can't go wrong with either the SM7 or the RE20 that have been mentioned above. Both are classics, both are especially good at male rock/pop vocals, and both will do better than a condenser in an acoustically-challenged environment. However, don't dismiss the humble SM58, which is 90% of an SM7 and only a hundred bucks.
 
If you plan on using the microphone for acoustical instruments, then you'll probably want something more versatile - low noise and multiple polar patterns. But that's going to run you a grand or more, and you'll still have to address your room acoustics.
2015/11/09 10:21:11
Doktor Avalanche
SM7B.
2015/11/09 10:22:38
bitflipper
Also have a look at the large-diaphragm dynamics from Heil. I have tried them and heard them on stage, and they are like SM58's on steroids. 
 
2015/11/09 10:30:45
Jim Roseberry
When looking for a new mic, there are many options.
You need to narrow down exactly what you're looking for... otherwise it'll be random hit/miss.
Define specifically what you're currently missing... and choose a mic with those particular characteristics.
 
A condenser mic won't be less prone to clipping... they're typically more sensitive.
You need to leave enough headroom so the mic doesn't clip... (you'll have to do this with with any mic)
 
The CV12 mic you're looking at is a knock-off of the AKG C12 (as was mentioned).
The C12 is a classic studio "workhorse" mic... but it's a very colored sound.
Being a condenser, the CV12 will pickup details/nuances that your current dynamic mic doesn't.
As was mentioned, the room and background noise will be captured.
That may or may not be a good thing...
 
The RE20 and SM7B are classic large diaphragm dynamic mics.
Both work well in high SPL situations.
We do a fair bit of VO work here... and the RE20 is absolutely stellar for that purpose.
The newer RE320 is very much in the same realm... but with a boost in the high-mids and hotter output.
 
Classics are classic for a reason (they work).
If you stick with those, you won't get too far off track.
I've had a lot of mics over the years.  The RE20 and SM7B are still here.
 
It's hard to equate the cost of software (directly) with a quality mic.
You will almost surely spend more for a quality mic (or mics).
The quality of your front-end gear ultimately determines the quality of your final product.
 
 
 
 
 
 
2015/11/09 10:42:32
Zargg
bitflipper
Also have a look at the large-diaphragm dynamics from Heil. I have tried them and heard them on stage, and they are like SM58's on steroids. 
 


I actually chose my Heil PR40 over both the SM7 and the RE20.
2015/11/09 12:28:27
Jim Roseberry
Zargg71
 
I actually chose my Heil PR40 over both the SM7 and the RE20.



The PR40 is more like the RE-320   
 
I favor the RE-320 over the RE20 for VO... as it's got a little more definition in the upper mids.
On guitar cab (recording heavy crunch), I prefer the flatter response of the RE20.
2015/11/09 15:53:40
Zargg
Jim Roseberry
Zargg71
 
I actually chose my Heil PR40 over both the SM7 and the RE20.



The PR40 is more like the RE-320   
 
I favor the RE-320 over the RE20 for VO... as it's got a little more definition in the upper mids.
On guitar cab (recording heavy crunch), I prefer the flatter response of the RE20.


I use mine for vocals only. I love it paired with my LA610.
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