I was trying to subtle, where would I put it and how do I use it. I could find no .spp files on my system.

Hi John:

Hold on a little bit while I say this: The Info page in the .cwp, that is included in the zip file I uploaded, has all the info that will walk you through where the preset files included in the zip file are suppose to go.

OK that's done. LOL

The presets have to be imported via the Cakewalk Plug-In Manager from Tools/Cakewalk Plug-In manager. Select Control Surfaces in the left pane and Cakewalk Generic Surface in the right pane. Then, at the bottom of the right pane click the Import button, and browse to where the preset file is on your PC, and select it, and open it. If you click the Manage button at the bottom of the right pane, you should see the preset you imported in the list. In the left pane of the Plug In Manager, Control Surfaces should still be highlighted/selected, so to import the ACT preset, click on ACT MIDI Controller in the right pane, and then, click the Import button at the bottom of the right pane. Browse to where the ACT preset is on your PC, and open it. Click on Manage at the bottom of the right pane, and you should now see that preset in the list. You can close the Plug In Manager, now.

Now, if the ACT plug in, the Cakewalk Generic Surface plug in, and the MMC plug in is not already connected, connect them (via Options/Control Surfaces, some may not know this) and select the presets that were included in the zip file (by going to the Controller/Surface toolbar that should be in the SONAR toolbar area after you connect at least 1 controller/surface). You also have to open the .cwp file that was in the zip to receive the SysEx transmission, and recall preset 10 on the KSP 88, so you will have the correct KSP 88 programming setup to use with the ACT and Cakewalk Generic Surface presets you imported and selected.

I'm not trying to strike you as a detestable person, but I thought I had explained efficiently how to use the setup files in the ReadMe and Info page that is part of the .CWP project included in the zip file I uploaded. If you have some suggestions of how I can be clearer, please, let me know?

You forget I am the one that posted real men don't use presets.

LOL

I remember. Your're helping out here, though. hehe

I'm with you. I will see what I can do. I figure I can at least support a fellow that has the same equipment I have and is only trying to make it better for all. Besides you have a cool attitude.

I say: HOORAH!!!!

I feel like your explanations on how to do all of this is clear, but when I go through everything it doesn't work. When I change the preset on the keystation to 01 or 02 or 10 I feel like it's all the same--the knobs are all controlling the same things regardless of preset. And they aren't controlling the things as explained in the info file.

The keystation 88 pro works with Sonar 7 for me, but if I want to assign things I have to do it all manually at this point using the LEARN function. I want to learn and figure this out. One thing I noticed is that for some reason under my INPUTS I have two Keystation 88's:

Keystation 88 - 1
Keystation 88 - 2

or something like that. Are you guys only seeing one?

Hi Phil:

I feel like your explanations on how to do all of this is clear, but when I go through everything it doesn't work.

Here are some things to check:

1) Did you receive the SysEx message when you opened the .cwp project included in the .zip file, and then press recall on the KSP 88 and type 10 on numeric pad.

2) Did you connect an instance of ACT. Cakewalk Generic Controller, and the MMC

3) Did you import the presets for ACT, and Cakewalk Ceneric Surface, and then select them from each of these plug in GUI preset dropdown menu

If you have done these things, I don't know why you can't use the KSP 88 without having to manually setup the controller. I wish I could find out what the problem is!

When I change the preset on the keystation to 01 or 02 or 10 I feel like it's all the same--the knobs are all controlling the same things regardless of preset. And they aren't controlling the things as explained in the info file.

Some of the controllers on the keystation are assigned the same MCC number with other factory set presets, that's probably why you see the same Slider, rotory, or button responding to the same function or controller in SONAR.

One thing I noticed is that for some reason under my INPUTS I have two Keystation 88's:

Keystation 88 - 1
Keystation 88 - 2

or something like that. Are you guys only seeing one?

If the KSP 88 driver is installed, these two inputs will show. Yes I see them, too. From the KSP 88 Advanced Guide:

About the MIDI In Port
The MIDI In port can be used to interface another MIDI device with your computer via
the USB port. Data received from the MIDI In will be transmitted via the Keystation Pro
88 to the computer.
When you select the MIDI devices section of your MIDI host, you will see two Keystation
Pro 88 USB MIDI Inputs. The first MIDI input in your MIDI host is used to receive the
Keystation Pro 88 controller data. The second MIDI input in your MIDI host is used to
receive data from MIDI devices connected to the Keystation Pro 88's MIDI In plug. In this
way, the Keystation Pro 88 acts as a MIDI-to-USB interface for the other MIDI device.

1) Did you receive the SysEx message when you opened the .cwp project included in the .zip file, and then press recall on the KSP 88 and type 10 on numeric pad.

2) Did you connect an instance of ACT. Cakewalk Generic Controller, and the MMC

3) Did you import the presets for ACT, and Cakewalk Ceneric Surface, and then select them from each of these plug in GUI preset dropdown menu

First off, thanks so much for the reply and the help. Are you using an audio interface? That's another discussion I'd love to have you with you some time. But maybe I'll start a new thread for it. I've got the keystation going directly in via USB. I also have an audio interface (focusrite saffire) I'm using, but having some troubles getting that set up right too! :)

1) yes, got that and clicked the right buttons to let that run. Yes, recall 10.

2) This was something I don't think I quite understood. Is this where I go to controls/surfaces and then I "add" (I think it's a little yellow button) and then make the input Keystation and the output keystation? I did that. Why the output keystation though? And then I made the MMC one with no output.

3) Yes, I'm pretty sure I did this right. One interesting thing. Now, when I open up a new file and I select the properties of each of the plugins, it shows it as keystation preset 10. But if I drop it down and RESELECT preset 10, it then actually loads it up and changes what I was seeing on the screen. Does that make sense?

I'm wondering if the problem perhaps is that I'm getting things loaded up in Cakewalk, but then they are not loading and being saved onto my device itself. I remember when I ran that sysex message the first time, it was way before I loaded the plugins and stuff. Am I supposed to run it again now that the plugins are all set up?

And thanks for solving that issue re two keystation midi in ports. That makes sense.

4) Question. My keystation pro has no plug into the wall or anything. The only thing connecting it to anything else is a single USB cord going from the keystation to my computer's USB input. That's normal right?

Hi Phil:

A few things I noticed today when I went to check why you may be having a probelm getting the Setup files to work.

There are 3 things that may be the cause, and I think I already ruled out one in your case. Assuming you have followed the ReadMe, and Info guide included in the setup files .zip (which it appears you have). Here are three last things to check. I tried these setup files on two windows installations, as I dual boot to Vista 32 Bit and Vista 64 Bit, and the files are supposed to work as depicted in the Info page. I also encountered a problem after disconnecting the KSP 88 and using my small MIDI controller instead. The problem was that I lost the MIDI In/Out settings for the MIDI plu Ins and my new MIDI device (the M-Aduio Delta 1010LT MIDI In/Out) had been set as the SONAR MIDI output 1 MIDI device, instead of my KSP 88.

1) When you accepted to receive the SysEx message, did you see the LED on the KSP 88 flash continually until the transfer was done? If you don't see the LED flash, the transmission didn't successfully complete. Once SysEx is received successfully. recall Preset 10 on the KSP 88, and go to step 2. If the LED is not flashing, when SONAR sends the SysEx message, go to step 2.

2) If you have more than one MIDI device such as another MIDI In/Out of an audio interface, uncheck those for now, and just use the KSP 88 MIDI In/Out in Option/MIDI Devices. That way we can be sure SONAR is using the MIDI out 1 for our testing. After this step, go to step 3. If SysEx wasn't recieved, close and re-open the SONAR Keystation Pro 88 Test.cwp and recived the SysEx. Report if you successfully recieve the message, now. If yes, go to step 3.

3) Now, from Options/Control Surfaces, make sure KSP 88 MIDI In/Out is selected for the plug ins as explained in the Info page. Try the ACT and Generic Surface presets, now. For some controllers, moving the slider or rotory back and forth 5 or 10 times is required before you see the parralell control move on the SONAR screen. I don't know why this is the case, either. Please report your experience. here.

2) This was something I don't think I quite understood. Is this where I go to controls/surfaces and then I "add" (I think it's a little yellow button) and then make the input Keystation and the output keystation? I did that. Why the output keystation though? And then I made the MMC one with no output.

You did this right.

3) Yes, I'm pretty sure I did this right. One interesting thing. Now, when I open up a new file and I select the properties of each of the plugins, it shows it as keystation preset 10. But if I drop it down and RESELECT preset 10, it then actually loads it up and changes what I was seeing on the screen. Does that make sense?

Also, sometimes I also have to load a different preset in the dropdown list, then, load load the preset I want to use (in this case, the test preset) before I see the change in the ACT property page. I don't know why this is.

I'm wondering if the problem perhaps is that I'm getting things loaded up in Cakewalk, but then they are not loading and being saved onto my device itself. I remember when I ran that sysex message the first time, it was way before I loaded the plugins and stuff. Am I supposed to run it again now that the plugins are all set up?

Once the SysEx message is successfully received, you don't have to transmit it again, unless you erase it from the KSP 88.

4) Question. My keystation pro has no plug into the wall or anything. The only thing connecting it to anything else is a single USB cord going from the keystation to my computer's USB input. That's normal right?

From the KSP 88 Quick Start Guide:

Before you connect your keyboard, please note: While you can power the keyboard via either USB or optional external power
supply, in order to avoid damaging the unit, use only one method at a time.

Cya around.