mettelus
PT has also had a very long-standing push into education, and people will stay with what they are most familiar and adapt accordingly. Once enough time has been invested, it is very difficult to switch; similar to how Disney has marketed ("Get 'em while they are young, own 'em for life!"). I have spoken to students who have said "PT in class," so that paradigm still exists, and it will be a hard one to break since the instructors themselves would be unlikely to switch. Much more intelligent marketing than platform alone.

Ableton and Logic (and even Garageband) are getting a lot more classroom time now. Much easier to implement on schoolwide level than PT. I think for the future it bodes well for both.  

stxx
I would like to see VCA faders in SOnar /CBB.

Cakewalk can use automation on all track faders and on buses, how is VCA different?
Are VCA faders just a hardware controller moving its faders in real-time?


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Cakewalk can use automation on all track faders and on buses, how is VCA different?
Are VCA faders just a hardware controller moving its faders in real-time?

 
VCA faders were originally hardware controllers, but are now also a concept in the virtual world of digital summing.
 
Often, when this question is asked, the inquirer responds to the answers with typified rebutals such as "can't the groups or busses do that already?"
 
This link provides a lot of answers to what may seem to be a simple question:
 
https://groups.google.com....audio.pro/0RihZ32k0kU

Right, but all they are talking about there are hardware mixers. Cakewalk offers very flexible grouping http://www.cakewalk.com/D...mp;help=Mixing.44.html where for example each fader added to the group automatically becomes a kind of VCA fader, even when controlled with hardware controller, and more. What is the point of a virtual VCA in a DAW then, other than loosing some pc monitor real estate? It is possible that I'm still missing something.

This explains pretty simply use of VCAs:
 
VCAs
 

Logic Pro has VCA track strips, apparently they were introduced because ex-Pro Tools people wanted them because they were familiar things from Pro Tools.
 
In reality, as you say, they're yet another way of organising track faders into groups.
 
Some people like them, others don't see the point. One thing I've found they can be useful for is controlling a group of faders from MIDI effects - e.g. an LFO or two that do something that's to be applied to a group of tracks.
 
While it can be done by setting up a fader group then controlling one fader while the rest of the group move along with it it can be simpler from a user-interface point of view to create a VCA which controls the group and is the target of the MIDI commands. It also makes it possible to alter the individual faders in the group more easily in terms of workflow. But that's at least in part a consequence of how Logic handles MIDI, which is somewhat different to Sonar.
 
Put it this way - if VCA track faders didn't exist in Logic I wouldn't really miss them that much. If at all. Though as with all things others would no doubt disagree with me.

Gee,
This Thread Goes back to 2013
For my part, I must confess here that I lost control of my sensible mental functions for a short period after 17th Nov 2017.
Short story.......I signed up for a subscription to PTs.
Well.....at the time .....A pesky voice in my head was saying....."Get On-board with the 'Bigboys' "!
They will never 'Go Pear-Shaped' !!
In that mindset.....PTs might have captured me except for one quickly discovered, very annoying feature . 
This annoying feature, was in regards to my workflow.
I am sure there will be someone out there with a work around...but that's not the point.
I was led to believe PTs was the Bee's Knees of DAWs  (IF YOU COULD AFFORD IT)
I run on Windows 10.(Whatever)
PROBLEM:
Everytime I needed to minimize the PTs display, in order to work on something else, I could not return /Maximize and get on with my work.
Just ignored me every Time I clicked.
Had to close the program and reopen.
It would not MAXIMIZE.
A common problem if you Google it.
Does this sound like the Bee's knees of DAWs to You?
Anyhow,
Now expecting solutions to a problem I don't really care about anymore.
I have CbB now........... :)
Cheers......Frank

When I read the OP was using X-2 I knew something must be up. Didn't read the date of the post..duh.
 
The "get em' while their young" comment deserves a second look. CbB is doing just that.
 
PT adopted by educational institutions is one I'll partially disagree with. In light of shrinking funding for music in schools PT might begin to look less attractive, especially when each student can go home, download CbB and show up in class with it the next day. I would further argue that CbB is a great way to get into the workings of a DAW and learn about not just recording, but composition. 
 
I'm not one to topple the giant just because he's there. I mean if PT is doing it for you or your studio there isn't reason to change. OTOH the big PT studio as we know it is and has been bypassed by the masses for a long time.

dubdisciple
It doesn't baffle me at all why Pro Tools has a larger following. The incumbent typically has an advantage. Pro Tools built it's market lead via hardware.  Yes, there is hardware that will work well with Sonar/Cakewalk, but it pales in comparison to the high end products designed specifically to work with PT. Larger studios have typically had incentive to stay with PT because of investment in hardware optimized (and in some cases locked to ) Pro Tools. No one is replacing thousands in hardware to give another DAW a chance.  By the time there was hardware invented that was not proprietary , PT's lead was so huge that it is almost insurmountable.  The DAWs that have been more competitive did not do so by sim ply outdoing PT in the digital tape recorder department but in composition aspects. 

I totally agree with you on this and to add to it, PTs grew up when computing power alone could not make it viable to run a Studio without the DSP hardware needed. It was the only real option but a few other DAWs also had DSP interfaces to help them compete.
If you knew the program you were in demand and when I say knew it, it was the on the fly editing skill that got you work while they were being punch recorded. Schools flourished.
Why change what you know, so it is stuck with.
 
Computing power has been enough for quite a while now without the need for DSP interfaces; other DAWs like Sonar have offered much more to gain a foothold and we have come to know and love them.