• SONAR
  • So what's the consensus now? (p.7)
2018/06/06 12:48:34
danbottomburp
Daibhidh
Dan, so if they require us to purchase in order to have software, they're not evil, but if they give it away so that customers will become more familiar with their other premium services, they're diabolically evil?



What's with the "Good&Evil" stuff  ? this isn't some Star Wars sub Reddit,i never said anything about them being "evil"
i'm well aware of how the "free" program models work and that is the reason i avoid them.i switched to REAPER/Studio ONE when Sonar ceased and i will not be returning
oh to be so gullible 
 
2018/06/06 14:14:36
Resonant Serpent
danbottomburp
Daibhidh
Dan, so if they require us to purchase in order to have software, they're not evil, but if they give it away so that customers will become more familiar with their other premium services, they're diabolically evil?



What's with the "Good&Evil" stuff  ? this isn't some Star Wars sub Reddit,i never said anything about them being "evil"
i'm well aware of how the "free" program models work and that is the reason i avoid them.i switched to REAPER/Studio ONE when Sonar ceased and i will not be returning
oh to be so gullible 
 




"Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya."
2018/06/06 16:32:37
iRelevant
danbottomburp
Daibhidh
Dan, so if they require us to purchase in order to have software, they're not evil, but if they give it away so that customers will become more familiar with their other premium services, they're diabolically evil?



What's with the "Good&Evil" stuff  ? this isn't some Star Wars sub Reddit,i never said anything about them being "evil"
i'm well aware of how the "free" program models work and that is the reason i avoid them.i switched to REAPER/Studio ONE when Sonar ceased and i will not be returning
oh to be so gullible 
 


That's funny :) Do you really think those who choose to capitalize on big data, drops that opportunity for extra revenue just because you paid for the product ? Why do you think all of a sudden everyone have become paranoid about their privacy and data ? Data have been collected since the first telephone pole was put up, in case you didn't know ;)
[Edit] This comment is for free btw. 
2018/06/06 17:35:17
shayne.oneill
To those worried about the bleed of users towards the end of the Gibson/Sonar era, have some faith in this free version. Here I am and I'm pleased so far, at least on a sample size of one, its working for me. Having had my $4K+ mac boosted out of my house by a burglar I've had to leave the Logic Pro nest for the first time in a long time, played with the Sonar demo and then blammo Heres Cakewalk. Sold. Granted I'm kinda missing Logics supurb built in instrument library (Theres really nothing in its class, and I've spent a bloody mortgage over the decades on DAWs) 

That said, Bandlab should perhaps spend a bit of time reviewing a bit of the UIX. She's a powerful beastie, but some stuff could perhaps do with being a bit more...... discoverable. Figuring out how to route midi took me a good hour of head scratching and forum reading before I finally found the option to make visible the channel/bank/patch selections. I think having some fresh eyes, coupled with an Agile dev cycle to straighten out some of the crustier aspects of the UI and workflow could really sell people looking for a cheaper alternative to Cubase or Protools and beyond and if the thing remains free, Reaper and the cheapo daws are in serious trouble. 

Also Bandlab, whoever makes that Rhodes plugin in the Sonar demo, buy them. That thing is beautiful.

Oh and wtf is up with the Video support? That..... needs work. Bloody thing throws up all over itself with anything using the rarer but important to industry codecs (red/etc). 

But yeah, I think theres a future here, as long as Sonar gets some work on its UIX, and a few niggles (Video!!!!) its a very capable piece of software.

Oh and while I'm wish listing, I'd love to see some work done on the score view. I'm often scoring for shorts and radio plays and stuff, and Sonars score view really needs some work, particularly if theres some way to set up articulations and mapping them to the triggers(etc) of our ROMplers of choice.
2018/06/06 22:12:59
FDN
I am using Cakewalk since 1993 ("Cakewalk Apprentice", bundled with the "Wave Blaster" soundcard, started it all... ), so obviously I am quite used to Sonar and will try to stick to it. So I was happy to hear about Bandlab & I started using CbB.
 
Biggest question for me is: where is the catch with CbB being free? I mean, Bandlab isn't doing this for charity, and looking forward, I cannot imagine that CbB will stay on par with the "pro" solutions by others (Cubase, Logic, etc.) and still cost nothing. So either there will be no real development going forward, or they will introduce  some sort of fee model. Wonder what that could be.
 
(Plus, I hope there is no hidden "trap", like: all music done with CbB becomes the property of Bandlab )
2018/06/06 22:56:10
mettelus
iRelevant

[Edit] This comment is for free btw. 


That was funny too
2018/06/07 01:03:43
mariogag
facebook is free and it is worth...what...billions.

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2018/06/07 01:22:50
abacab
FDN
 
(Plus, I hope there is no hidden "trap", like: all music done with CbB becomes the property of Bandlab )




Nope!
2018/06/07 02:07:32
chris.r
shayne.oneill
That said, Bandlab should perhaps spend a bit of time reviewing a bit of the UIX. She's a powerful beastie, but some stuff could perhaps do with being a bit more...... discoverable. Figuring out how to route midi took me a good hour of head scratching and forum reading before I finally found the option to make visible the channel/bank/patch selections. I think having some fresh eyes, coupled with an Agile dev cycle to straighten out some of the crustier aspects of the UI and workflow could really sell people looking for a cheaper alternative to Cubase or Protools and beyond and if the thing remains free, Reaper and the cheapo daws are in serious trouble. 

 
Really good point. I'm working on Cakewalk software since Twelve Tone Systems and I know you can do many operations in a lot of different ways which is easy for me. But I can imagine someone coming from another DAW world and newbies having loads of head scratches due to GUI overload and some non-intuitiveness here and there.

Also Bandlab, whoever makes that Rhodes plugin in the Sonar demo, buy them. That thing is beautiful.

 
Lol! That's Applied Acoustics Systems Lounge Lizard, doubt it's for sale. Good sample based libraries like GM Neo Soul Keys or Scarbee are still better than that, but this one is often called the "Pianoteq" in virtual EP plugins world.

Oh and while I'm wish listing, I'd love to see some work done on the score view. I'm often scoring for shorts and radio plays and stuff, and Sonars score view really needs some work, particularly if theres some way to set up articulations and mapping them to the triggers(etc) of our ROMplers of choice.

 
Again, good point.
2018/06/07 02:11:26
noynekker
 . . . could we just rename this thread "The Conspiracy Theories Thread" ?
Take a deep breath and try to remember that they revived our beloved Cakewalk from a dead end future.
Yeah, brought it back from the edge of catastrophe.
 
It's free because the hard part is already done and programmed. It's free because there are too many DAWs that do the same thing in different ways. It's free because the company that bought it can afford it to be free. It's free for the same reason that Windows 10 and MAC 10 are free. It's free because it eliminates the need to even bother to compete in the DAW wars . . . a nice war, where no one dies. It's free because it helps marketing gurus to connect with the masses, in order to sell you other related products in the future. It's free because the game of chess has been played the same old way for far too long.
 
rant over . . . resume normal programming
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