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2016/02/24 12:37:27
anxiousmofo
Beepster
... I would have much rathered they partnered up with Izotope to get a "Sonar" version of Ozone or even approached Melda Productions about some of their more advanced tools.
 



Yeah, I keep hoping for a SONAR partnership with Izotope or Fabfilter myself.
2016/02/24 12:43:07
Anderton
BeepsterMaybe a better option (for now... until the toolset can be expanded) is to get Craig and a bunch of Baker's with extensive mastering experience (or even tap outside sources and/or some of our forum members like Danny, Jeff and Bit) to sit down and create some good Mastering chains/presets/templates that cover a wide range of styles using the tools we have on hand.

 
I don't think that's possible. As I've said in so many workshops, there are what I call "Mastering with a capital M" (mission-critical mastering) and "mastering with a small m" (the example of mastering a daughter's piano recital or the audio coming off a camcorder). Something like LANDR has no problem doing the mastering stuff. But Mastering is about much more than processing, it's about making artistic decisions, which at least in my case often requires waveform-level editing. No preset can accommodate that, but that kind of detail is why people use professional mastering engineers. 
 
As far as this LANDR thing... from what I'm gleaning all that's really been added here is some option to export and their upload tool? Anything else has to be paid for but we get maybe some limited "sample" formats of our mixes?

 
Read the eZine, and my post immediately prior to yours. LANDR will make my life as a professional mastering engineer easier, so of course I like it 
 
2016/02/24 12:44:23
Vastman
Both FF and Izotope are top of the line programs most people find the way to afford.  I can't imagine either company coming up with a freebe or limited version for DAWs... they want you to buy them and offer good deals from time to time... save your beer/coffee money for awhile... that's what I do.  For casual users, none of them are necessary and there are freebes available. Furthermore, the ProChannel gives you the tools to get pretty great mixes already.
 
I sometimes wonder at the insanity of people these days... there is only so much a DAW company can "bundle" as it takes away from their margins and I'm sure those margins are slim enough as it is.  They would have to pay a significant premium to incorporate such programs, full knowing that most of us have such tools... IK, Izo, etc... already.
 
Thanks for the bug fixes, bakers!  
2016/02/24 13:11:52
Beepster
Anderton
BeepsterMaybe a better option (for now... until the toolset can be expanded) is to get Craig and a bunch of Baker's with extensive mastering experience (or even tap outside sources and/or some of our forum members like Danny, Jeff and Bit) to sit down and create some good Mastering chains/presets/templates that cover a wide range of styles using the tools we have on hand.

 
I don't think that's possible. As I've said in so many workshops, there are what I call "Mastering with a capital M" (mission-critical mastering) and "mastering with a small m" (the example of mastering a daughter's piano recital or the audio coming off a camcorder). Something like LANDR has no problem doing the mastering stuff. But Mastering is about much more than processing, it's about making artistic decisions, which at least in my case often requires waveform-level editing. No preset can accommodate that, but that kind of detail is why people use professional mastering engineers. 
 
As far as this LANDR thing... from what I'm gleaning all that's really been added here is some option to export and their upload tool? Anything else has to be paid for but we get maybe some limited "sample" formats of our mixes?

 
Read the eZine, and my post immediately prior to yours. LANDR will make my life as a professional mastering engineer easier, so of course I like it 
 





Right... but you get what I'm saying here about the chains being setup for general usage and logic behind them being explained a bit so us clowno gruntos who just want to add a bit of extra polish to our mixes can play around. right?
 
I've actually been trying to study all this quite a bit lately but as I'm sure you know the info out there is erratic at best and you'll pretty much NEVER find (aside from maybe a couple vids you've done in the distant past) tutorials using the included Sonar tools (or the addons).
 
The suggestion really is, and let's use yourself as an example, if you were forced to use Sonar Platinum and it's base package to master (small m) various styles of music how would you set up the chain (and then setup that chain in a Project Template or FX Chain)? How would you decide what parts of that chain needed to be applied (turned on) and adjusted based on things you are hearing from the raw mix?
 
If doods like you and others got commissioned to create these types of templates based on their own personal styles/comfort zones and wrote/created companion articles/vids to explain your own personal logic using the tools available I think it could actually help us aspiring "small m" mastering engineers get more out of the program than we can flitting about the intertubes at large trying to sort through all the not so useful/not so product specific intructional volumes.
 
The things I've been learning can be applied using a lot of the on board tools of course but it's a lot of effort and experimentation with a LOT of failures. I think if we had some good starting points with some good tutorial from trusted and proven engineers it could be quite valuable to many of us. Honestly I think this type of thing tossed into the occasional monthly releases/eZines would be far more beneficial and attractive to us kind of "intermediate" users just trying to toss up some decent sounding demos. I also do think that we CAN get quality output with the current tools as far as final polish BUT a bit of a helping hand from experienced pros familiar with said tools (and taking such minimalist approaches) is required to do so.
 
Knowaddimean? Seems like it could be a huge boon to the userbase without any real cost aside from maybe bribing the contributors to put these things together.
 
Ya... you know what I mean. You're really one of the very few whom I've seen even approach such materials and tool chains.
 
Cheers. I'll scuttle off to my dirty corner now. lol
2016/02/24 13:20:46
Beepster
Vastman
Both FF and Izotope are top of the line programs most people find the way to afford.  I can't imagine either company coming up with a freebe or limited version for DAWs... they want you to buy them and offer good deals from time to time... save your beer/coffee money for awhile... that's what I do.  For casual users, none of them are necessary and there are freebes available. Furthermore, the ProChannel gives you the tools to get pretty great mixes already.
 
I sometimes wonder at the insanity of people these days... there is only so much a DAW company can "bundle" as it takes away from their margins and I'm sure those margins are slim enough as it is.  They would have to pay a significant premium to incorporate such programs, full knowing that most of us have such tools... IK, Izo, etc... already.
 
Thanks for the bug fixes, bakers!  




The point is it's good promo for those companies and leads to extra revenue for them via upgrades. I've dropped most of my third party money via upgrades made available to me by Cakewalk. If folks had a chance to play with Izo stuff and had an upgrade path to their full versions (and then they'd want to maybe stay up to date or check out their other products) that's good for them too.
 
How many people upgraded Melodyne, GR, TH2, Breverb, Melodyne, bought extra AD2 adpacks, etc because of Cakewalk bundling? Quite a few. It's not like these companies get nothing out of it.
 
Izotope may be shooting for the stars a bit but Sonar does seem to be on its way up so why not? There are of course other mastering tools/comapnies and Cake could put their heads down and update their own suite themselves and release them as VSTs.
 
Big picture, yo.
 
Cheers.
2016/02/24 13:24:57
anxiousmofo
Vastman
Both FF and Izotope are top of the line programs most people find the way to afford.  I can't imagine either company coming up with a freebe or limited version for DAWs... they want you to buy them and offer good deals from time to time... save your beer/coffee money for awhile... that's what I do.  For casual users, none of them are necessary and there are freebes available. Furthermore, the ProChannel gives you the tools to get pretty great mixes already.
 
I sometimes wonder at the insanity of people these days... there is only so much a DAW company can "bundle" as it takes away from their margins and I'm sure those margins are slim enough as it is.  They would have to pay a significant premium to incorporate such programs, full knowing that most of us have such tools... IK, Izo, etc... already.
 
Thanks for the bug fixes, bakers!  





Thanks. I appreciate being called insane.
 
If you look at what Izotope just did with the RX Plug-in Pack, it is not inconceivable that they could be encouraged to do something similar with elements of Ozone and offer (portions of ) same to DAW manufacturers such as Cakewalk.  Incorporation of such things would be an inducement for DAW users to upgrade to the full product suites and would give entities like Izotope additional exposure.  This itself is an economic boon for such companies and would drive down the cost for SONAR to bundle such things.  It is a win-win.
 
Just look at AD2-- I'm sure part of XLN's incentive there was that people would like the product and be drawn to buy more ADPacks, etc.
 
2016/02/24 13:27:22
anxiousmofo
Looks like Beepster and I were contemporaneously typing similar feedback.  There must be some insanity laced ingredient in the cake batter.
2016/02/24 13:41:30
scook
anxiousmofo
If you look at what Izotope just did with the RX Plug-in Pack, it is not inconceivable that they could be encouraged to do something similar with elements of Ozone and offer (portions of ) same to DAW manufacturers such as Cakewalk.

They already have an arrangement with Sony.
2016/02/24 13:47:17
Kylotan
Any thoughts on stability, i.e. any better or worse than the previous release? Since this will be my last update before my membership expires I'd like to settle on the best version for the future.
2016/02/24 13:47:23
Beepster
scook
anxiousmofo
If you look at what Izotope just did with the RX Plug-in Pack, it is not inconceivable that they could be encouraged to do something similar with elements of Ozone and offer (portions of ) same to DAW manufacturers such as Cakewalk.

They already have an arrangement with Sony.




Yeah, I figured maybe they'd already been previously engaged (but now I know with whom). Melda seems like a good fit though if they aren't already on someone else' team. A base version of Spectral or getting them to lend their basic suite to not replace but allow 64bit tools akin to the Sonitus suite might be nice.
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