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2016/02/25 07:15:32
tenfoot
 
Snehankur
Isn't there anything in SPALT-N other that LANDR?
 



Depends.  Do you know how to insert a track? :) 
2016/02/25 07:21:58
Kylotan
irvin
Funny details about LANDR:

They conducted a demo and it turned out to be Reaper with a couple of plugins doing the "mastering". TRUE - unbelievable as it might be.



Why is that a problem? I'd love it if Sonar were as automatable and customisable as REAPER.
 
In theory there's no reason why this sort of system can't work. The system can look at the music it receives, make some assessments about which plugins to use and which parameters to use, and can then perform the result automatically. I don't buy the argument that a mastering engineer choosing his or her favourite vintage compressor yields any actual improvement over a 'soulless unknown plugin' (to quote the poster several posts up) - there's far too much confirmation bias around audio hardware, usually from people who've spent far too much on gear to admit that nobody can hear the difference.
 
I've released 2 albums - one I paid a well-known engineer in our genre to master, and one I mastered myself. The comments in both cases have been near identical. I know some expensive outboard gear was used when I outsourced the mastering, but nobody but the engineer (and now you guys) will ever know that for certain. And nobody is wishing I'd not mastered the other album myself, even though it was done entirely with plugins in Sonar. (Which incidentally is why I'll never use LANDR, but hey, I'm here to make a point, not defend a specific product.)
2016/02/25 07:52:51
irvin
Anderton
You are totally distorting what I said because you didn't bother to find out the facts before you made up your outrageous claims and "translations"

 
What "facts" would they be? That you didn't say what you said? You said it:
 
"Just to be clear, I would not use LANDR to master my recordings or anyone else's. I know how to master and I often do surgery, not just processing."

 
Of course, you wouldn't! You know it's crap. But you have a tricky problem in your hands: you need to recommend LANDR to beginners, but you don't want to further soil your reputation by implying you use the crappy service. So, here you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth: 'yes, it great, but I don't use it - I mean, if you are on the market for a quick mastering service, LANDR will serve your purpose'. Of course! If you are looking for crap, yes, LANDR is your product! 
 
 
 
Anderton
- like the last time you got into a fit because you said you were paying for "low quality, generic stuff" yet when asked to specify the low-quality generic stuff for which you paid...
Crickets. You were incapable of backing up your claims, you had no facts, so you just disappeared from the thread.

 
I DID say what it was - right there in my initial post: I do NOT find any value or use in getting 40.000 guitar loops and generally all the crap you produce. Want it more clear than that?
 
 
 
Anderton
You have no idea what kind of mastering I do. I primarily do ALBUMS. An album is a collection of songs that flow together as a cohesive whole. They can involve crossfades, transitions, level matching among cuts, making artistic decisions about the best flow for cuts, avoiding having two songs in the same key follow each other if possible, and trimming intros and outros of songs so they work together. My album mastering ranges from classical to country to EDM to rock. Only someone who is completely ignorant about the mastering process would state "LANDR is crap" because it can't do that kind of mastering.  

 
Everyone who does mastering does that or a variation of that. What's your point? A little, transparent and witless attempt at obfuscating the real issue?
 
The real issue is you would not use LANDR because you know it's crap. Why would YOU go OUT OF YOUR WAY to CLARIFY you don't use it, while pushing it down your loyal customers throats?
 
Anderton 
I said: hours generating MP3s of rough mixers for clients. Note the "s." Plural. Multiple people over the years. Not spending hours generating an MP3 for a client. If I'd had LANDR, I could have exported and walked away to do things like annotate the session, put away cables, do backups, etc. while LANDR did its thing and gave the client a choice as to which version they wanted.
 

 
Even then, LANDR would not be faster or more effective than inserting an FX chain on the master channel. Why should anyone pay for an obviously crappy automated online "mastering" service that was exposed as nothing more than Reaper plus a couple of plugins?
 
Anderton
You're comparing slapping an EQ and compressor across the master bus to generating three different MP3s and giving clients a choice about which one they want, as well as getting clues about how they're going to want it mastered in the final analysis based on which one they choose.

 
You can do that faster, better and cheaper by slapping an FX chain on your master channel. And you know that. That's why you and any other semi-knowledgeable person would never use the crappy "mastering" service.
 
 
Anderton 
Maybe the way you would do business is to slap on EQ and a limiter, hand whatever comes out to the client, and say "take it or leave it." That's not my style. I try to give a little bit extra.

 
Nope. That's what YOU are selling to Sonar users by shamelessly promoting this "service" that you went out of your way to clarify you DO NOT USE yourself.
 
I'm not the one slapping an EQ and limiter on the master channel and giving it to my clients. LANDR is - and you know it: once again, LANDR (for everyone's information) was proven to be no more than Reaper with a couple of plugins on the master channel. Even the LANDR developer admitted it and apologized for it with some lame excuse.
 
Anderton 
So you still haven't read the eZine to find out what it can do.



I know what it can do: it can apply automatic levels of EQ and limiting top your mix, regardless of what the mix actually needs. The results are horrendous - and that's why you don't use it yourself. That's why you don't want the slightest confusion about it: you don't use it - but others are free to waste their money.
 
A lot of pseudo-technical claims and vague statements. But in the end, it was proven (2 days before release, not less) to be Reaper plus a couple of automated (scripted) plugins doing the "mastering".
 
Do I need to post the link again? 
2016/02/25 08:12:25
stevec
Just....    wow.
 
2016/02/25 08:35:47
coolbass
Bristol_Jonesey
coolbass
rcklln
I think it would be best to have the LANDR installation/integration listed as a separate install item in C3.


X 1000


Why?
 
In order to save approx 500ms in download time?


To me it is bloatware.
I do not want to see it or think about it.
It should be an option to exclude it from the sonar experience.
2016/02/25 08:39:20
dcumpian
Seriously...if you don't want to use Landr...don't. What is wrong with that?
 
I like the fact that the bakers are even thinking about usability (in the case of the new Add Track feature). Looking forward to the next batch of updates.
 
Dan
 
 
2016/02/25 08:48:14
Paul P
coolbass
It should be an option to exclude it from the sonar experience.



It is.
 
2016/02/25 08:57:13
M@
Zoolandr2 is in the cinemas here in europe as well......some say its funny
2016/02/25 09:06:47
coolbass
Paul P
coolbass
It should be an option to exclude it from the sonar experience.



It is.
 


Well I now did uninstall it, but I was not given the option not to install it while updating.
2016/02/25 09:07:19
gswitz
I wonder if you feed LANDR it's own output again and again, what would the recording become. Would it ever stop cutting the bass and compressing? Who will try it?

Craig, could we recursively feed it one of your best masters to see? We could analyze the improvements.

I'm cracking myself up this morning.
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