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2016/02/23 16:42:30
MrMook
Anderton
No one's going to pay a mastering engineer to master their daughter's piano recital   If someone is, PM me 



 
I don't have a daughter but PM sent.
 
To me LANDR is no different than Melodyne. It's just another tool.
2016/02/23 17:08:05
Mosvalve
I listened to their examples on their website and I have to say they sound horrible to me. I hope this isn't the future. I guess in the future everything is going to be microwavable.
2016/02/23 17:24:10
stevec
Mosvalve
...I guess in the future everything is going to be microwavable.




Well, with my cooking skills everything already is.     
 
 
I have no opinion either way on the LANDR thing since I actually enjoy my per-song mastering process. 
2016/02/23 17:42:58
Anderton
I tested quite a few songs on LANDR to evaluate what would happen. IMO some sounded fine, some didn't. I think one of the main reasons LANDR gives free previews is so that people won't have to buy a finished version without first knowing that they want it.
 
I did notice that the end results vary depending on what you put into it. I think a really cool addition to LANDR's AI would be the ability to create a pop-up dialog that could say something like "This mix has problems. Please take the effing compressor out of the master bus, and give at least 3 dB of headroom. And WTF is up with the clipping? Here's a link to an article on gain-staging. Thank you." Interestingly, I fed LANDR some mixes I'd already mastered to see what would happen. At the low setting, it basically did nothing - what came out was what went in. Even the medium setting didn't do much. 
 
The most success I had was with live or "close-to-live" recordings using either the low or medium setting. The high setting often sounded, at least to me, like the results I hear on the radio by my least favorite human mastering engineers 
 
LANDR keeps refining the engine, so who knows where this will end up...
 
2016/02/23 17:46:05
John T
I quite like Craig's piano recital example.
 
The reality of LANDR is that precisely zero "real" mastering engineers are currently quaking in their boots. But that doesn't mean it's useless, and that doesn't mean it can't improve. I think it's interesting, and I'm glad it's being worked on.
 
 
2016/02/23 17:49:59
John T
There's also an emergent middle tier of production that's not going away, I think, which is bands and artists going completely DIY, without necessarily ever becoming great engineers. Not everyone is looking for a radio hit, or even a polished sound. Some people are happy with delivering more home-spun material to a small-ish audience, and get a lot of gratification from being a bit cottage industry about it. And good luck to them.
 
I think LANDR is a great tool for those people.
 
2016/02/23 17:51:01
Mosvalve
Anderton
 
 
 I think a really cool addition to LANDR's AI would be the ability to create a pop-up dialog that could say something like "This mix has problems. Please take the effing compressor out of the master bus, and give at least 3 dB of headroom. And WTF is up with the clipping? Here's a link to an article on gain-staging. Thank you
 


If they build that system into their software I would get this message every time and never get a master. Lol.
2016/02/23 17:52:22
John T
This is a brilliant idea for a plugin, actually. Doesn't even need to do anything to the sound. Just shouts at you like Sgt Hartman out of Full Metal Jacket every time you reach for a stereo widener.
2016/02/23 18:03:32
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Anderton
I think a really cool addition to LANDR's AI would be the ability to create a pop-up dialog that could say something like "This mix has problems. Please take the effing compressor out of the master bus, and give at least 3 dB of headroom. And WTF is up with the clipping? Here's a link to an article on gain-staging. Thank you." Interestingly, I fed LANDR some mixes I'd already mastered to see what would happen. At the low setting, it basically did nothing - what came out was what went in. Even the medium setting didn't do much. 

 
They actually do have that! Dan put one of his mixes through it and it ****ed that the mix had no headroom so it couldn't do the master. Not quite that wording but something close :-)
2016/02/23 18:07:36
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Mosvalve
I listened to their examples on their website and I have to say they sound horrible to me. I hope this isn't the future. I guess in the future everything is going to be microwavable.



Don't do that - taste is very subjective. If you listened to presets on most synths you would think they were all horrible :)
Try it with your own music and start with the Landr Low setting. You might be surprised how good it actually is.
If you are willing to tweak your mix to accommodate what you get from Landr its very possible to get an excellent master.
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