Anderton
Your patronizing attitude toward musicians who may be extremely talented in many other ways but don't know how to master is insulting.
Actually, it;'s you who disrespect musicians by offering them these snake-oil solutions. I'm not the only one who thinks very little of LANDR as a "mastering" solution. This is what Bob Katz thinks of LANDR:
https://www.facebook.com/bobkatz24bit/posts/1083517731671907 (Credit for the link goes to other posters on this thread)
Anderton
You apparently don't understand the difference between mixing and mastering if you think that LANDR is a "solution for people who have no idea how to prepare a rough mix for themselves or their clients." Maybe I missed it but where has anyone, in any of these threads, talked about doing rough mixes for clients?
YOU have. Here is a short list of often contradictory comments made by you on this thread trying to cover the sky with a finger:
Anderton
"As I've said in so many workshops, there are what I call "Mastering with a capital M" (mission-critical mastering) and "mastering with a small m" (the example of mastering a daughter's piano recital or the audio coming off a camcorder). Something like LANDR has no problem doing the mastering stuff. But Mastering is about much more than processing, it's about making artistic decisions, which at least in my case often requires waveform-level editing. No preset can accommodate that, but that kind of detail is why people use professional mastering engineers. "
so, if LANDR does NOT do real mastering (Capital M) why does it advertise itself as a "mastering solution":
"master Tracks Instantly"
https://www.landr.com/en "The music world has changed. New technology has made it easy and affordable for artists to create and share their work with total independence, but the final step in making music a fully DIY enterprise - mastering - has remained a complicated and elusive step. Until now."
https://www.landr.com/en/about Are they lying? Are you lying? Does LANDR do "Mastering with M" (as you call it) or not???
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You also said:
Anderton
"I suspect most of the people dissing the concept haven't read the eZine to realize the applications this opens up that a) have little, if anything, to do with traditional mastering, "
LANDR says they can:
LANDR
Master with LANDR. Add more colour and clarity to your sound.
https://www.landr.com/en/what-is-mastering Are they lying? Are you lying? Does LANDR do "traditional mastering" (mastering with M, as you call it) or not?
Man you have to keep your act straight!
Anderton
You misrepresent and inaccurately paraphrase what I say. I can think of only two reasons for doing that: you truly don't understand what I'm saying, or the rationale for your agenda falls apart if you represent what I say accurately.
What part am I misrepresenting?
Even Cakewalk says that LANDR is all about Mastering and nothing else:
Cakewalk
BOSTON, MA (FEBRUARY 23, 2016) – Cakewalk, dedicated to powerful and thoughtfully designed software for modern musicians, announces a partnership with LANDR, the cloud-based audio post-production mastering platform. Through this partnership, SONAR users will be able to export their mix directly to LANDR and master it at any point during the production process. This marks LANDR’s first full integration with a DAW and gives SONAR users more options to finalize masters directly from the software.
https://www.cakewalk.com/Press/Release/1244/LANDr-and-Cakewalk-Partner-to-Give-Sonar-Users-a-Fully-Integrated-Mastering-Experience Are they lying or are YOU lying?
Anderton
I wrote a conciliatory post that explained how someone who has a singular definition of mastering based on what it was in the past is "right" to feel the way you do, just as those who are open-minded to recognize that the nature of mastering has changed over the years are "right" to embrace tools like LANDR (or Har-Bal, for that matter, which was greeted with similar derision by close-minded people when it was introduced). You ignored it. I tried to conduct a civilized dialog with you, yet all you can do is keep repeating points that have already been refuted. This is apparently your modus operandi, because it's exactly the same M.O. as in your previous series of posts in a different thread where you kept complaining about having to pay money for content you found generic and substandard in SONAR. Yet when invited to give some examples of said content, you did not...so I can only conclude you could not.
Apparently, telling you the truth makes me a bad, bad, bad boy! I may even have an agenda!
Anyway, I clearly stated I don't need the crappy 40,000 guitar loops you create for Sonar. I don't want to pay for that "content". It's useless to most people. I prefer big fixes and features for professionals, like pre-roll recording (which every other DAW has).
Anderton
Your stating repeatedly that you feel "the most basic of skills" in "slapping EQ and a limiter combo on the master bus" means that someone is capable of mastering their material speaks for itself.
nice try, but no banana, Anderton!
I have stated that anyone can do WHAT LANDER DOES: slap a couple of plugins on the master channel and call it "mastering". That, of course, is NOT mastering. It's a ripoff. And that's why I have expressed (and mantain) my opnion that LANDR is totally useless: because it can't do what it promises to do. It can't do mastering (and you have admitted to it, in your own clumsy manner - btw, I think you are the one who has been telling the truth: LANDR can't do mastering. Cakewal, Noel and LANDR itself are lying about it).
Anderton
I've presented several practical examples of how to use LANDR for applications beyond traditional mastering. I apologize for not explaining them with sufficient clarity that you could understand them, but most people did, so overall it was worth the time to do so.
no need for an apology. I fully understand (and agree with) what you have been saying (in a roundabout, unintentional way): LANDR can't do what it claims to do: mastering. It can do other things (whatever examples you can come up with). But it can't do mastering. That's the undeniable truth.
Maybe we could have saved a lot of time, acrimony and virtual ink if Cakewalk had not sold it as a "mastering solution"?