Anderton

stevec
Nah, you're not the only one with that perspective...  

True! Thankfully there are still some people who know how to think rationally.

I have seen this :
Mastering with PreSonus Studio One Pro (Part 1 of 6)  ... by YOU made in 2012.
 
Why cant we expect the same from you : MASTERING WITH SONAR?
 
Regards
Snehankur

I think it may be time for a little "tough love"....

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

irvin
Keep in mind LANDR was found to be Reaper plus a couple of plugins working as an automated 'mastering solution'. There is no 'secret sauce' or magic about LANDR. If Reaper plus a couple of plugins can do it, why not Sonar?

Hey, Reaper costs only $60, so maybe it would be cheaper and more flexible to use it instead of LANDR: you get a full tracking and mastering solution (that includes a few things Sonar does not have) for much less than sending a few tracks to LANDR.

Please stop spreading false information - repeating misinformation multiple times is not helping anyone. If you read the same thread you quoted you will see that the landr people explicitly said that was an early prototype that they used for demo purposes only. Its clear that you refuse to believe in Landr's approach despite what everyone has tried to explain to you, so why not move on and let others find out for themselves whether they find it useful or not?

This was NOT an "early prototype". This happened 2 days before release. Even the LANDR developers acknowledged the incident and subsequent report as true:
 
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/927991-mixgenius-landr-3.html
 
If you have VERIFIABLE information as to how the whole thing works, I'll change my mind about it being anything more than Reaper (or some other DAW) plus a couple of plugins (what LANDR is doing is EASILY achieved by a combination of dynamic EQ and Limiter on the master channel) .
 
So, no, I'm not "spreading false information". The evidence is there for everyone to see. 
 

LANDR
We'd love to have you back, so you could maybe form a more accurate critique of LANDR. I'd love you to meet our head of machine learning (a recent PHd graduate from Queen Mary University's legendary C4dM) who would be happy to explain in detail the intelliegence driving the system, that certainly wasn't very apparent during the demo you saw.

 
As other people on that thread mentioned, there is no "machine learning" - because there is no feedback from the client, just a one-way communication (client feeds song, LANDR returns "mastered" file). 

Someone stop this guy from spreading false information...please

Snehankur

Anderton
 
True! Thankfully there are still some people who know how to think rationally.

I have seen this :
Mastering with PreSonus Studio One Pro (Part 1 of 6)  ... by YOU made in 2012. Why cant we expect the same from you : MASTERING WITH SONAR?

 
Mastering with Studio One
"While it's never a good idea to master with your eyes, spectrum analyzers and meters can help pinpoint where any problems exist that you're hearing with your ears"
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og91FQ4R2Es (2:02 into the video)
 
Mastering with LANDR
 
"While it's never a good idea to master with your eyes or without your ears, spectrum analyzers and meters won't be available to help pinpoint where any problems exist."
 
But then again, LANDR is NOT about mastering with an "M" (as in "real mastering"). LANDR is about paying a fee for getting a preview of what you MIGHT get if you pay AGAIN to have your file/project/whatever mastered - this time for real.
 
At least, that's what Anderton says, flatly contradicting his bosses at Cakewalk, their own press releases and even the LANDR people themselves.
 

Anderton
Just to be clear, I would not use LANDR to master my recordings or anyone else's. I know how to master and I often do surgery, not just processing. 
 
However anyone who has spent hours generating MP3s of rough mixes for clients after a long session will see the benefits immediately. Being able to deliver something that's closer to mastered, without having to spend time mastering (even if it's a cursory job) something with a lifespan that's measured in hours or maybe a few days, is invaluable. That's why I think the people dumping on LANDR simply don't understand all the ramifications of having this tool available.

 
This is a mess. 
 

The cowardly voices are rising...lol...could we ban/silence this guy? Could we just sweep this whole thing under the rug?
 
Thank God we are in the USA and I'm a registered user of Sonar, with legal rights and legal access to this forum. It's a great thing that both Cakewalk and this humble servant operate under the same constitution. I'm sure the Cakewalk guys understand this as a helpful debate where different parties will express different perspectives and will act accordingly.  
 

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Well you have ducked me twice , here's your third chance .
 
Are you getting the results you had hoped for in this thread by taking the position you have chosen ?
 
Kenny

irvin
The cowardly voices are rising...lol...could we ban/silence this guy? Could we just sweep this whole thing under the rug?
 
Thank God we are in the USA and I'm a registered user of Sonar, with legal rights and legal access to this forum. It's a great thing that both Cakewalk and this humble servant operate under the same constitution. I'm sure the Cakewalk guys understand this as a helpful debate where different parties will express different perspectives and will act accordingly.  
 

Good lord. Freedom of speech protects you from prosecution/persecution by the government when peacefully voicing an opinion. That's it. It does not protect you from being censored on/banned from a privately owned forum such as this.
 
It also does not protect you from the consequences of your speech by forces other than the government. For example... if someone calls you a doodyhead for... well being a doodyhead the 1st ammendment does not protect you from that. Even if a government representative called you a doodyhead I'm pretty sure you'd just have to suck it up because you aren't being subjected to legal action from the state.
 
However libel and slander are not protected forms of free speech either so put down the flag. It cannot protect you in this instance. If you are indeed making false statements about people and/or entities and those people and/or entities can prove damages incurred by your false statements you may be accountable under civil law.
 
I personally find your complete misinterpretation of 1st Ammendment rights much more insulting than anything else you've posted...
 
and I'm not even an American. lol

Beepster

irvin
The cowardly voices are rising...lol...could we ban/silence this guy? Could we just sweep this whole thing under the rug?
 
Thank God we are in the USA and I'm a registered user of Sonar, with legal rights and legal access to this forum. It's a great thing that both Cakewalk and this humble servant operate under the same constitution. I'm sure the Cakewalk guys understand this as a helpful debate where different parties will express different perspectives and will act accordingly.  
 

Good lord. Freedom of speech protects you from prosecution/persecution by the government when peacefully voicing an opinion. That's it. It does not protect you from being censored on/banned from a privately owned forum such as this.
 
It also does not protect you from the consequences of your speech by forces other than the government. For example... if someone calls you a doodyhead for... well being a doodyhead the 1st ammendment does not protect you from that. Even if a government representative called you a doodyhead I'm pretty sure you'd just have to suck it up because you aren't being subjected to legal action from the state.
 
However libel and slander are not protected forms of free speech either so put down the flag. It cannot protect you in this instance. If you are indeed making false statements about people and/or entities and those people and/or entities can prove damages incurred by your false statements you may be accountable under civil law.
 
I personally find your complete misinterpretation of 1st Ammendment rights much more insulting than anything else you've posted...
 
and I'm not even an American. lol

You're getting too deep into law...lol..it's much simpler than that: as a customer I have the right to access the tools of support that Cakewalk makes available to all its customers. That's all - nobody is talking about freedom of speech, constitutional amendments, libel, prosecution and other fancy stuff you bring up. It's about basic consumer rights.

In any case, I'm not worried about a ban: the Cakewalk people, while not in agreement with me on some fronts, have proven fair in the handling of controversy. My post was directed at the few voices desperately clamoring for some sort of action that would "silence" me. Nothing to worry about...

Btw, I have in the past been VERY vocal about the many positive things related to Sonar - it just so happens that I truly enjoy expressing my honest opinion at all times. Not a hater or fanboy - just an agenda-less user willing to enjoy the overwhelmingly positive Sonar experience, warts included (and LANDR seems like a big anal one...lol).

Some people don't like it - but that's ok, too. I embrace diversity of thought.