Zargg71
Wow! I do not know what to say at this point... Some people never grew up from the kiddie table, and want it their way or no way.
And for the person who said it was their last visit here (I cannot be bothered to mention "it" by name).. Bye, bye...
I have still to try LANDR (as I suspect is the case for more people than just me) before I give judgement. 
All the best.

Oh he will be back Ken -  his life would be meaningless without insulting the good and helpful folk on this forum:) 
 
Truth be told 2. - seriously dude,  it's embarrassing.  We all know who you are. Blind Freddy could recognise that chip on your shoulder 4 threads away. At least have the courage to dribble your ×××× under your own name rather than spinelessly hiding behind alts. It won't make you any less wrong,  just slightly less sad.  
 
 
 
 

TruthBeTold2
Irvin, well it is pretty obvious that you have got Anderton pegged pretty well, you have him figured out, he is the ultimate Cakewalk/Sonar apologist, that's what he does, makes excuses for both Cakewalk and Sonar, and doesn't let the truth or the facts get in his way. You are also right in that one of his greatest tactics is to turn and twist things, going off onto different tangents, muddying the water with his long drawn out boring discourses attempting to throw all off track and have the original topic forgotten about, I have seen this time and time again. 
 
 I understand what you are trying to do, but let me tell you, it is a loosing battle, because you will just be set upon by the hoards of rabid mouth frothing fanboi's, and Anderton is never wrong, and he will always have the last word even to the point of locking the thread, and then using his privileges as a mod to go back in just so he CAN have the last word.
 
Anderton also goes on about how he is this great conduit between the users and Cakewalk, and between Cakewalk and the users, like he is some kind of Switzerland lol, but come on, he works for the company that owns Cakewalk, how much do you think he is going to go against, or say anything against Cakewalk or Sonar, it's not going to happen, his hands are tied, he is compromised, sure he will tell you he has done this, said that etc, but it's all BS.
 
LANDR, LANDR is crap, absolute CRAP, I have tried it out not from within Sonar, but manually, tried all the options and it is crap. In 10 to 15 minutes tops I can get a far better, better sounding master with a few plugs or my own mastering chains without fail. Of course he has to defend LANDR even though he has said he wouldn't use it personally or for anyone else (lol, come in spinner lol) he has to defend it, he can't just come out and say it is crap, his hands are tied, he is compromised, it's as simple as that.
 
Anyway Irvin, my advice to you would be to just let it go, it's not even worth worrying about, if people can't see through Anderton by now it's there own fault. 

Very valid points, TruthBeTold. 
 
The personal attacks are taking place (as can be seen here - in fact, some user, on another thread, just accused me of being you! rotflmao...will the Real Slim LANDR please stand up?) - but it does not matter to me: if I find a post inane or personal in nature, I just ignore it as digital noise not worth a reply.
 
Personal attacks don't bother me because I realize the poster is usually just trying to gain favor with his superiors: by siding with the "authority" he hopes he/she will be noticed or appreciated more due to his/her "loyalty". Plenty of souls like that everywhere...lol...nothing to worry about.
 
And yes, I do find Anderton terribly compromised (in a sad way, to be honest): he can't tell the truth and now he is desperate trying to find ways of un-doing the great damage he did when he flat out confessed he would not use LANDR for his projects or anyone else's because it can't do what it promises: mastering. 

Irvin: Oh for godsakes. One of the biggest reasons that things like LANDR are included is so the cost of SONAR is lower. So that we, the users can get things like $99 upgrades. And Cake can still afford to keep its core of developers paid. All the whinging and whining and schizophrenic identity changes to try to make it seem as though you have been wronged in some way is disgraceful and ridiculous.
The answer is and always will be, for LANDR or any other tool. use it or don't. What irks me most about those who can't tolerate it ( a 100 mb add to the program, and a single menu listing which takes NO CPU cycles) is that development time would have to be expended to "fix it" to their satisfaction.
As for the pokes at Craig - he is an invaluable asset on these forums and I can't say the same about you.

Brando
As for the pokes at Craig - he is an invaluable asset on these forums and I can't say the same about you.

Precisely. There are various reasons people might come to Craig's defense - although he's a big boy and can fight his own battles - but chief among them is probably that he regularly and fairly consistently offers tremendous value to our lives as music-makers and users of Cakewalk software. Even if you (Irvin) happen to disagree with that, I am afraid that, as Brando points out, it is absolutely not something that can be said about you. For the most part, you come off as a particularly nasty attack troll. I don't care whether you are or aren't the mysterious anonymous alternate identities that magically pop up and agree with you on your hatred of LANDR and your constant quest to undermine and attack Mr Anderton, though my instinct and my experience with people that have demonstrated clear and persistent trolling behaviour tells me that it's quite likely. However: I think you've pretty much made your point. You don't like LANDR. You definitely don't like Craig. We get it. Personally I'm very tired of seeing it over and over every time I open the forums. 

irvin
This was NOT an "early prototype". This happened 2 days before release. Even the LANDR developers acknowledged the incident and subsequent report as true:
 
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/927991-mixgenius-landr-3.html

Other quotes from that same thread:
 
"We were demoing in our test environment (reaper) where we test VST's that we create from the code we write in our API, and also benchmark against existing tools.

And, as my colleague explained during the demo, because we were working in that test environment, none of the intelligence, machine learning, or self-learning aspects of the system could be accessed, and we had to simulate that part manually with our engineers, which left a lot of room for error, (and also was why trying to create a loudness matched version was a little tricky on the spot).

We actually use a range of 1-7 different processors, depending on what the character of the incoming song is.

These include custom variations on what would appear in most mastering studios (intelligent EQs, Compressors, Limiters, etc), + some specialized tools that help us deal with certain situations, or challenges with the upload quality.

That said, our system has been up, running, and constantly learning since that visit! And we can easily now demo the full experience instead of giving you the very hacked version of it you saw that day."
 
and:
 
"Now, let me first say that I should be biased against this type of tech since I am the codesigner of a product intended for human mastering engineers. Furthermore, I own a mastering studio locked out by one of the legends of the industry, and happen to really love the art of mastering. I often master friends projects myself when I have the time, and it's a lot of fun for me.

However, I will say this: While I have not had much experience in particular with LANDR, I am quite confident that we (the modern world) have the technical ability to create an algorithm that could have enough intelligence to analyze and process a track in a way where it could produce very good results."
 
and:
 
"So, while I can see that many appear to be very dismissive of this type of new tech, and some maybe even angered or threatened, consider this:

If there was a system, let's just say hypothetically, that for a very small cost, could make peoples' mixes sound better.. as in.. it works very well.. why would that be bad?"
 
and:
 
"...if a mastering engineer truly is better than the robot system, then this mastering engineer has nothing to worry about. He/She will always work if their talent is easily displayed through their product. But what WILL get demolished is the 'mastering engineers' who cannot produce a better master than the robot system. And that's life.. if you can't cut it, you're out!"
 
and:
 
"Ultimately, if someone uses LANDR or any similar service and LIKES THE RESULT, then they got their money's worth. Perhaps they could have gotten a better result from a mastering engineer... perhaps that would have cost them money they didn't have... and... perhaps they would have gotten WORSE results from a mastering engineer. Human Mastering doesn't mean quality either. I've had some mastering engineers butcher my mixes, others have made them sound amazing."
 
and:
 
"Answering your girlfriend with anything other than "NO" when she asks if she looks fat in her new dress is dangerous. LANDR calling their process 'mastering' is not. It is mastering. Just not done by a human."
 
Doesn't seem so black and white now does it?
 
Regards,
Dan

I honestly wish a couple of you long winded sons of a female dog would just step up to the plate and post musical examples to back up your claims / BS ..
 
I'm not even gonna bother to  mention your names  because they already have been replaced with an unmentionable  word
 
This I will tell you ,
If my eyes had a throat , they would throw up a little bit in their throat every time they have seen a post of yours
because they are simply getting fed up of reading your one dimensional ( not even good )  arguments ...
 
I would respect your points of views much more if you had the stones in your knickers to actually exhibit some initiative and personal creativity .
 
Create your "own examples to back you opinion up " ...
 
Cutting , copying and posting links  to threads you your self have not created  only proves to me that you do not have the capacity to take an idea or a thought from the nothingness of the ether's and replace it with a creative expression from your own unique expression of your creativity in a tangible form ...
 
Many Creative individuals share a common trait that allows them to let the whole world see them in their creative artistic nakedness and vulnerability .
What are you afraid of ? 
On the other hand you have only proven to me that although you were given the gift of free will , + the power to create , It has been misused and the only valid point of argument you have successfully  proven to me is that your cognitive resources  are severely challenged and limited .. 
 
How is it possible that you can even think for one moment that you can come here on a MUSIC forum and not get called out on the most basic flaw of your thinly veiled argument that doesn't have a leg to stand on ? 
 
Music is meant to be listened to ,
( what ever your name is )  has come here to educate us fine musicians on the flaws of a Robot mastering tool 
Honestly for the record I'm OK with that ...
The most fundamental flaw you have proven to me is rather simple ...
You yourself Sir , have proven to me that you do not even posses the capacity to listen to anything anyone here has said ....  
Had you exhibited an inkling of that trait I may have let you off the hook ...you haven't .
 
In my book that means you are a difficult person to work with ...
 
Incidentally ,  I hate to break this news  to you Sport ,
regardless of what ever chops you may think you have , real or imagined ..
 
LANDR a freaking Robot has at least taken the time to listen and offer 3 choices. How ever right or wrong the 3 choices  may be ,remains to be seen
At least the whole time it did whatever conversion it does  it kept it's freaking mouth shut  
 
Since you don't appear to have the ability to listen , or keep your mouth shut  ....
 
It may be a good time for you to consider another line of work ....
 
I heard The Bridge Burners Union is hiring .
 
Say while your at it , since talk is cheap .
 
Why don't you go over to Bob K..."s house and wash the LANDR off his truck .
 
 
Kenny
 
 
 
 
 

I feel like we are losing complete control of this thread and I am not sure what to do. Most companies would have taken action but I am really trying to avoid it. We need to stop the personal attacks first and foremost. And more importantly, we should avoid posting the same view points over and over again. We have read these threads and we understand most of the points of view. LANDR is a very respectable company that is on a cool mission. I have enjoyed working with them a lot. There are all super passionate, smart people. From the tests we did in the office, we came way impressed with their technology. Of course, your results may vary. And we understand that LANDR is a polarizing topic coupled with some issues on how it gets installed.  I am asking though that we tone down the talk and try to be constructive. Next month there will be another release and we'll have more stuff to talk about. If it is not clear, we do listen to customers, more than ever. And we appreciate all the criticism, good and bad. We will continue to engage with our community. But honestly, this thread is getting to the point of not being very helpful and it can be off putting to some users who just want to learn more about the new release. There is already a thread dedicated to LANDR. So I am asking that we keep it civil and constructive - and most important be kind to your fellow SONAR users. We're all in this together :) 

THANKS Andrew,
You are completely correct. First......what other company listens to its client base. This has once again shown the down side of human nature. Usually..... Here is the product.. Take it or leave it. Maybe that's what they want. Imagine all the Music that could have been made during this time frame. We have no right to request a change to anything. We can make comment. Then move on. Fixes will come along, new trials will be available, new plugs, new sounds, new members, hopefully the good help will remain. Thanks Cake, for you are still standing beside us. The Grace you all, and Mr. A have given is to be applauded. Maybe now we can get back to what's important...... Wait for it...........MAKING MUSIC

Unfortunately, these threads end up descending into this quite often from both sides and totally detract from the main points which were originally made. I personally could care less about LANDR, but I do care very much care about CW's direction and the single comment made of packaging a third party program into SONAR. This release in general has been an eye opener, and as it is the last for my current year it has also made me take an objective look at the "past year in review," as it were. As that is my preference, I won't go into details of the good and the bad, but I did realize how "old school" I really am.
 
"Good faith" with a brand only extends so far, and the reality of gapping membership for months or even years is not an issue for me as I want product in hand, not hope. A quick pass on the features forum solidified this with the reality that the core SONAR program can just as easily be purchased outright when the ones I am concerned about materialize, rather than invest in the time between now and then - and in reality lose nothing as the core program is cumulative. I do not feel CW is listening to their customers all that much TBH, which is a shame since when new users become more savvy, they are going to see the same (legacy) issues, it is only a matter of time.

Wow! 12 pages now over something so tiny in the overall picture. Wow! I, personally am not inclined to use LANDR so, I chose to update without installing it. Life goes on. No big deal.