My guess is the bundled LANDR client software.

Still having to download through the store. The Command Center still doesn't seem to understand recovery of a frozen, iffy, or lost session. Just quits downloading at a random % and never recovers.

brconflict
Still having to download through the store. The Command Center still doesn't seem to understand recovery of a frozen, iffy, or lost session. Just quits downloading at a random % and never recovers.

I do the same but I put the files in the CCC download folder then use CCC to install it. THat way the Checksum is verified. If they would make CCC's download "manager" more intelligent I would use it for the whole process simplifying things as I believe it is intended.
 
 

I'm curious and hopeful, but mostly I've been underwhelmed by machine learning in all applications I've been close to.

I think the real learning is in 'what do we do to get people to let go of there pennies'. (Mention machine learning, ha ha)

I sure wish we could get the simple stuff to work. Remove silence for example. It is part of the software and hasn't worked right for as long as I can remember. I spend a ton of time doing it manually.

Hearing about Landr is like listening to a child promise she can do physics but when asked 7*5 says it's too hard to answer. Takes too much time. Or answers 42, I mean 49.

The two things together leave me with tremendous doubt.

Sorry for being a pia. I liked gobbler while it lasted.

https://www.landr.com/en/pricing

I'd much rather learn or be taught some of the science.

I realize software partnerships can benefit me, but this one leaves me hollow. I think I'll pass.

Wow that mastering thing sounds neat except you have to pay extra for it. If this keeps up I'll be dumping Sonar. I don't need to pay to get bloatware.

I like it for quick way of doing a mp3, demo for a band to listen to because sometimes the band want it to be loud like on a professional cd; even if its not final mix. ,but I would rather have more control of the Mastering part  for the final touch on the song or cd

Right? If we wanted to buy the service and upload our stuff, we don't need any changes to Sonar to do this. I'm not really sure what Landr has to do with Sonar.

All this talk about mastering brings some thoughts to mind...

Yes, I appreciate a good job of mastering, but I also remember it originally being the process of transferring from tape to lacquer/vinyl which by its nature had a very low signal resulting in a lot of amplification noise. Alng came the RIAA standard of high/low roll-offs and tone controls to compensate (as well as speaker design - boosted high and low).. So the art was developed to deal with that as well as possible...

Now with more reasonable speakers and full bandwidth final audio, I question its real need...?

If a song is well mixed, is mastering really necessary...

Not "bragging", but most of my mixes already sound as I want them and I leave the decision of dynamic range improvement to be done after the mix so I can fit each song within a project comfortably...

I can understand involved mastering for mixes that have problems, but why would I want to change the sound of a mix I like? That would tell me I need a remix...?

So while I'm glad this is available to help situations in need, but I don't expect to be using it myself...

I'm not a genius mix engineer, but I usually get what I want out of projects I record and most of the time for recordings made by others...

Hopefully, the volume wars are nearing an end... So learning to do good mixes takes us further from the need for complex/invasive mastering...

...just my 2 cents.

Thanks for building it into a sonar for anyone who finds a need... Nice to know its there however long it lasts! ;-)

New Track
The 'New Track' function looks good and the workflow of it seems realistic. Unfortunately, it still "hides" when starting a New session, in that, the standard templates hide the "New Track" and only show the [+] (at least on my 30" screen). My inclination as a newby would be Right-Click, which is certainly intuitive in my mind. I would probably miss the [+], assuming its function had something to do with the Now Time clock.

I probably would have moved the "Custom" pull-down, or shrunk its default width so the "New Track" label would show immediately. That would make it very obvious.
 
LANDR
I'm in a agreement that LANDR would serve to "test" a mix. I typically mix with a 'test' Mastering chain in place that I can kick in at times to verify my work (I'm not one of those who buys that a mixing engineer can't Master his own work), so I can support that it will be useful to many who try it out. I can certainly see how this might help some people who wish to see how their work would sound if submitted to a real Mastering house. I would also invite users to try a plug-in called, Magic A/B. You can do what some Mastering pros do, including Dave Pensado to compare (A/B) his work to existing reference material.
 
I'm a bit skeptical having to sign up for a service, like we did with Gobbler, then possibly having that later ripped out of Sonar, and it's a bit of a downer not to hear the work in real-time, but having some version choices after submitting a mix seems pretty handy. It does a pretty good job for projects and mastered demos, but I wouldn't recommend using this in lieu of a real Mastering job.

 

chriswickens
Wow that mastering thing sounds neat except you have to pay extra for it. If this keeps up I'll be dumping Sonar. I don't need to pay to get bloatware.

You didn't pay for bloatware. The only thing you "paid" for was the time it took for Cakewalk's developers to include direct file export in SONAR, which is trivial compared to the cost of adding actual features to the program. Amortize that over the entire SONAR user base, and you paid essentially nothing to have that feature included. This isn't like a VST plug-in where Cakewalk pays a licensing fee and passes along the extremely reduced cost on to users; LANDR makes its money by selling its own service, not by charging companies like Cakewalk.
 
As far as "bloatware" is concerned, the entire LANDR package is 100MB. If you never plan to use it, you can uinstall it.