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chriswickens
Wow that mastering thing sounds neat except you have to pay extra for it. If this keeps up I'll be dumping Sonar. I don't need to pay to get bloatware.

You didn't pay for bloatware. The only thing you "paid" for was the time it took for Cakewalk's developers to include direct file export in SONAR, which is trivial compared to the cost of adding actual features to the program. Amortize that over the entire SONAR user base, and you paid essentially nothing to have that feature included. This isn't like a VST plug-in where Cakewalk pays a licensing fee and passes along the extremely reduced cost on to users; LANDR makes its money by selling its own service, not by charging companies like Cakewalk.
 
As far as "bloatware" is concerned, the entire LANDR package is 100MB. If you never plan to use it, you can uinstall it. 

Craig I agree with your points about the bloatware. In my case I can't comment on its function because I still have an hour left on the download thanks to the additional download. For me it would be better to leave it as a separate download just as other value added parts of the Sonar Plat package are done.
 
Just my $0.02

gswitz
Right? If we wanted to buy the service and upload our stuff, we don't need any changes to Sonar to do this. I'm not really sure what Landr has to do with Sonar.

When you choose "LANDR Master" from SONAR's export audio function, shortly thereafter you get a free mastered preview, from which you can choose one of three "intensities." You don't have to open another program, upload the file manually, choose a different Windows audio device for playback, etc. It's about integration/convenience.

pwalpwal
speculation? for "dirtying" read "flagging as changed"

That is undoubtedly correct.  Programmers conventionally maintain a variable called "Dirty" to indicate if anything has changed in the file.  Then before closing, if the dirty bit is "true" then the user is prompted to save the changes.  The bug would have been that if the only change was this routing assignment, the file could be closed without getting the prompt to save the changes.

Tom Riggs
 
Craig I agree with your points about the bloatware. In my case I can't comment on its function because I still have an hour left on the download thanks to the additional download. For me it would be better to leave it as a separate download just as other value added parts of the Sonar Plat package are done.

Wow, an hour per 100 MB...then I saw where you live, so I understand. There is a definite limitation when everything is done online. I remember when it took about 12 hours to telecommunicate all the text for an issue of Electronic Musician via the 300 Baud modem in my Radio Shack Model 100 laptop...
 
I don't know if LANDR can be split off from the core program as easily as plug-in, FX chains, and the other types of content though. That would be a question for Noel.
 

Given that we are now "integrated" with Landr, maybe they'd like to mention Sonar on their website as one of the many fine DAWs one could choose. This is from https://www.landr.com/en/how-to-mix:

Choosing your mixing software

There’s tons of Digital Audio Workstations (DAW) to choose from. Which DAW is the best DAW is up to you. But some of the best DAWs to start mixing with are:

• Adobe Audition
• Logic
• Cubase
• Pro Tools
• Bitwig
• Ableton Live
• FL Studio 11
• Reaper
• Studio One 3

Finally I have installed. Thank you Cake for not forcing us to use the CCC. it too me 7 hours total to download the update and it failed 4 times in the process. That last failure was with 1MB left to download. None of the download connection issues are Cakewalks fault but imagine how frustrated I would be if I had used the CCC in its current state and the download started over.
 
The Landr is a separate installer listed in the Programs so I'm certain it could be separated from the initial download if there is a will to do so.
 
Now off the the fun stuff :-)
 

I pay for Sonar. I don't pay for them to program in useless BLOATWARE. They spent time and man power to integrate this piece of software that could have been better used fixing issues or creating other features in the main program.

Like others said if i wanted this I would have installed it. I don't know if I have to install it as I'm not at my DAW but either way it was time and money spent to do it.

I also have serious doubts with going online to LANDR. I still remember the Gobbler debacle. My thoughts are:

1. Don’t introduce more demos to your professional DAW. Because I wanted something like LANDR last year I bought a cheap DAW package from Magix (40-50 dollar). They come with a mastering section that has automatic mastering like LANDR. You can even bring in your favorite song as preset. Quality is about the same as LANDR (both have their weaknesses)
2. Instead create a separate mastering section within Sonar. Most DAW’s go that way. Sonar plugs are quit good and underestimated. They can do the job but are often missing adequate and sufficient presets.
3. (off topic) I get the impression the bakers are pressed into introducing every month something exotic. I don’t think this is necessary. I will judge Sonar based on what has been accomplished in a year (I paid a year subscription). This highlights also the problem with monthly subscriptions. If the bakers are pressed too much into coming every month with some exotic item, programming time will go into gadgets while the really important things are neglected.
4. The reason I bring up different DAW’s is because I’m occasionally demonstrating different DAW’s (unpaid:-)). My main focus remains on Sonar. Been a faithful user since Sonar4. I think Sonar must do something with arranger tracks, mastering section, coloring or skins, expanding Matrix functionality (controller based music is quite popular)
5. To end on a positive note Sonar Platinum 2015 is the most stable version I've worked with. Just add a couple of features the musician expects to have in a DAW.

 
Regards,
Monleo2014

Hi all,first i believe that Sonar is the best Daw in the market,i make 90% of my productions in sonar,my clients choose sonar over other daw but for this reason cake should work on internal mastering stage with dedicated editing and state of the art plugins and i see a little contradiction with the announce af spring sonar features and Landr that i consider a tool but not professional.
Anyway many thanks to the bakers for the hard work!
Best

I see from 'Sound On Sound' magazine that Presonus Studio One has also made an agreement with Landre. Maybe it will be making an appearance in the update being unveiled tomorrow.