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  • SONAR Newburyport now available (p.8)
2016/02/24 04:09:06
M@
I'm not sure I like the way things are evolving.
There are so many small issues adding up that (FOR ME :)) are just not satisfying.
 
- 'Having' to be online
- Multiple 'Integration' of not full-versions of 3rd party software  (Gobbler, Melodyne-essential, AD2, LANDR, TH2...)
- Long time bugs / worksflow killers described by other users in detail  (gfx visibility, arrangement features,..........& many more.) 
- Monthly releases (being released towards end of the month mostly)
 
Like many users: I have liked since a long time and still like Sonar a lot, but frustration seems to grow instead of shrink.
I too feel that the monthly release system puts too much pressure on the CW-team for them "having" to release something cool & exiting. (As posted by Monleo2014 above)
 
All the additional packages being delivered are no doubt nice, and probably will be used by many; but.....was it necessary to introduce? I myself liked AD2 when it was introduced and do use it, I even bought additional content, but in all honesty: I still would have upgraded to the newest Sonar if it wouldn't have been included as I am hoping the programme itself (=Sonar) will get better!!
Anyone needing/wanting additonal features/content will look elsewhere for it. It's not gonna kill Cakewalk.
New users must be captured by the features of the programme itself. I believe "integration with LANDR online mastering services" is not a true Sonar feature.
 
I paid a year upfront as I just want to own the programme as is. I'm not gonna pay for another year now because of the way I feel (and because I've still got 6 months subscription left). I'll wait another 11/2 years and if I like the programme as it is then at that moment I'll just pay for the upgrade upfront and use whatever status Sonar is on.
I hate being anxious and eager, looking forward to next month and then just being frustrated again untill months end when I get my hopes up high again.
 
At the moment I'm especially frustrated because I wasn't able to use my (home)studio as much as I want to, so that's part of the reason for my little "rant"
Just my opinion right now......things might change towards the middle of the year....let's see.
 
2016/02/24 04:25:56
BRuys
I do think that CW has to be careful about hitching their wagon to 3rd party products like landr (and gobler before it).  It almost cheapens the product for me.  I'm just not a fan of the model where tools are built into a product that basically sit behind a paywall.  I would personally rather not have the integration and download a separate app/tool if I wanted to use the product.
 
If my annual Sonar Platinum subscription ran out and I decided not to renew and stayed with a version with integrated landr access and then a few months later landr went belly up, I would be left with this redundant integration.  Just doesn't sit right with me.  I hope we don't see more of this kind of thing.
 
I will go and find the tools I want, when I want them.  I don't want menus cluttered with 3rd party tools I have no interest in.  This is not a direction I'm happy with at all.  I wasn't a fan of the gobbler integration either, as I knew it was something I would never use.  If we ever get to the point where we have 10 - 20 3rd party tools sitting in Sonar menus, I will be looking for the door.
2016/02/24 04:29:14
jpetersen
>> Fixed issues where:
>> Clean Audio Folders could hang when scanning multiple drives
 
Oh, good grief.
 
2016/02/24 05:42:16
Soundwise
brconflict
Still having to download through the store. The Command Center still doesn't seem to understand recovery of a frozen, iffy, or lost session. Just quits downloading at a random % and never recovers.


I had the same problem. Reinstalling CCC fixed it.
2016/02/24 06:56:05
Paul P
Keni
I can understand involved mastering for mixes that have problems, but why would I want to change the sound of a mix I like? That would tell me I need a remix...?



To me it's more a question of procedure.  Things should advance and converge from your recordings, through mixing, then through mastering and on to distribution.  It's possible to specialize in one particular stage of the process and let others take care of the rest.  You can then concentrate learning and spending on the methods and tools of your chosen stage, attaining a higher level of quality than if you try to do everything yourself.
 
Now that we can in theory do everything ourselves, I think it's still a good idea to maintain definite stages in the process.  Otherwise you may end up jumping around all over the place and risk unbalancing the product and having to backup and redo.  If you're mixing, you shouldn't have to go back and re-record some part and if you're mastering, you shouldn't have to go back and play with the positioning of instruments on the virtual stage.
 
When mastering, you're not changing the sound of your mix, you're refining it.  You certainly shouldn't be fixing it, if that is even possible at the mastering stage.  The whole production should be a linear series of refinements.  I see it as a question of organizing the task at hand and accomplishing it in the most efficient manner, in the least number of steps.
 
2016/02/24 07:01:16
SGodfrey
There seem to be quite a few negative posts about LANDR which I find a bit surprising.  Mastering has often been referred to as a "black art" and whilst I'm sure it would be interesting to learn, there can't be that many who have the time and resources (room treatment, tools, etc.) to "master" it (excuse the pun).  There must be plenty of Sonar users out there who's mastering (like me) consists of no more than a bit of light compression (probably using default settings), a cursory attempt at bit of EQ and judicious use of Boost11.  Not terribly advanced in other words.
 
I've always checked the posts about the latest releases each time they've come out and often been amazed at the positive reaction to stuff I thought was of minimal use.  This time I was certain that people would love LANDR and the reaction is quite the opposite.  Go figure!
 
I for one, am really looking forward to hearing what LANDR can do.
2016/02/24 07:04:01
Paul P
brconflict
New Track
My inclination as a newby would be Right-Click, which is certainly intuitive in my mind. I would probably miss the [+], assuming its function had something to do with the Now Time clock.



I missed the [+] in the Synth Rack for years and I've just recently begun to use it almost exclusively.  If it had had "Insert Synth" beside it I might have noticed it earlier (funny how sometimes we don't even see something we haven't previously learned about).
2016/02/24 07:05:42
martinfoss
Is the LANDR desktop app supposed to be intalled automatically when updating Sonar?
I was trying to export to LANDR, but got an eror message saying that the LANDR app was missing.
 
Also trying to install it directly from LANDR, but I'm having problems there as well. 
2016/02/24 07:31:08
cowboydan
When you export a track/Mix you will see Landr in the .landr Master in the options for export. Once you export to your desktop, Landr will start automatically. Hope this helps.
2016/02/24 07:34:39
martinfoss
cowboydan
When you export a track/Mix you will see Landr in the .landr Master in the options for export. Once you export to your desktop, Landr will start automatically. Hope this helps.




Yes, and that's when I get the error message saying that I don't have the LANDR desktop app. Then I assume it was suposed to install automatically with the Newburyport update, but didn't. 
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