Dave000

SteveStrummerUK

rlared
Meh. Cool I guess but not sure it was the best use of Cakewalks limited resources.

Indeed.
 
For example, I would have much rather the time and effort had been put into (finally) doing something about the appalling graphics that show whether a VST plug-in on or off.
 
I'm sorry, but with my eyesight, I simply cannot tell the difference between such similar shades of grey:
 

Green for ON and Red for off would be great!

Consider it done
 

stevec

jpetersen
 Edit: To head off New User misunderstanding, perhaps consider using either Echo or Monitor (just one unified name), for the same thing.

No argument there - I'm all about consistency.   If you post a FR for it, I'd vote!

Heck, it's not even out yet...
... well, why not. Yeah, OK. Probably the proper place for this anyway.

Paul P

Anderton
I've been testing it to write an article about this feature for the eZine, and overall I prefer it to the other ways to add tracks (assuming it's not a situation where I can use a Track Template).

Now that's an odd omission.  If you're going to have a central place for inserting things, I think you want to be able to get at all the things you might want to insert.
 
Interesting that this new feature hasn't been released yet and already there are changes needed.  This thread is beginning to ressemble a trial balloon.

There's a good case for moving the existing Insert menu from the main menu at the top down into the Track View menu bar.
Everything on that menu is applicable to Track View - move it down and augment it with whatever.
 
There are too many items to bring it all into the new flyout in it's current size, but maybe eventually eh!

jpetersen
One final UX item:
Light the Record button in the same red as the other record buttons,
light the Input Monitor button the same blue as the Input Echo button.
 
Edit: To head off New User misunderstanding, perhaps consider using either Echo or Monitor (just one unified name), for the same thing.

Agree. As Steve said, put up a FR and I will vote for it.
All the best.

ok I read the whole thread.   good grief.    a "feature". 
 
Insert (number of) (type of) tracks (following/before) track number (X).  
 
In ONE and ONLY ONE place and ONLY ONE way, and that a clear way for the beginner and a fast way for the expert.
 
This is why Sonar is so widely hated, or despised, or neglected,  in a nutshell.  

There are 3 or 4 ways to resize all tracks in the Track view and they are probably more difficult for new users to find than the ways to add tracks. So, why not add up and down arrow buttons to the right of the Add Track's "+" button that do this?
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Keyboard-shortcuts-or-buttons-to-instantaneously-equalize-all-tracks-heights-in-TV-m3206359.aspx#3206359
 
I'm sure the resize buttons will be very helpful to many, not just new users but also existing users.
 
Coming in summer 2016?

williamcopper
ok I read the whole thread.   good grief.    a "feature". 
 
Insert (number of) (type of) tracks (following/before) track number (X).  
 
In ONE and ONLY ONE place and ONLY ONE way, and that a clear way for the beginner and a fast way for the expert.
 
This is why Sonar is so widely hated, or despised, or neglected,  in a nutshell.  

A shade hyperbolic, that, I think.

I'm trying to imagine someone sat looking at the internet, feeling genuine hate, over a minor piece of UI design.
 
And I find it all too easy to imagine, sadly.

williamcopper
ok I read the whole thread.   good grief.    a "feature". 
 
Insert (number of) (type of) tracks (following/before) track number (X).  
 
In ONE and ONLY ONE place and ONLY ONE way, and that a clear way for the beginner and a fast way for the expert.
 
This is why Sonar is so widely hated, or despised, or neglected,  in a nutshell.  

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williamcopper
ok I read the whole thread.   good grief.    a "feature". 
 
Insert (number of) (type of) tracks (following/before) track number (X).  
 
In ONE and ONLY ONE place and ONLY ONE way, and that a clear way for the beginner and a fast way for the expert.
 
This is why Sonar is so widely hated, or despised, or neglected,  in a nutshell.  

You have just described what Add Track does, except for the "following/before" option. However, I guarantee that if this function was implemented as you describe, the complaints would be quick to arrive, loud, and numerous...
 
"That sucks!! How come I can't specify the track's output? You want me to insert a track that goes nowhere?"
"Those idiot Cakewalk developers seem to have forgotten that tracks need inputs. C'mon, guys!"
"Wow Bakers, how stupid can you be to let me create 10 tracks AND THEN HAVE TO DRAG THEM INTO A FOLDER?!?"
"I play through amp sims, where do I enable input monitoring?"
"What if I don't use the same MIDI controller all the time?"
"Simple instrument tracks suck!!! Why can't I split the track and put it in a folder LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE DO?!?"
"Look, I get you want to make things simple, but why can't I insert a track that's already record-enabled, monitoring the input, and ready to record? Why does your stupid simple approach make me do MORE clicks AFTER inserting the tracks?"
"This new way of inserting tracks is really, really dumb and is why SONAR is so widely hated, or despised, or neglected...the only improvement is being able to choose following/before, and in the process you're crippled all the rest of the functionality we need a whole lot more. Way to go, Bakers."