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  • Can I prevent Sonar from deleting my plugins (in the FX bin) when i hit the delete key?
2016/02/09 12:09:47
djserg
I noticed with Sonar Platinum, (when i press the delete key) that i'm accidentally deleting plugins (and all the settings I programmed) from the FX bin- when i'm actually trying to delete a clip. I've been doing this for years and have never deleted a plugin before. The worse part, is that I usually don't notice until i've save the project and i'm listening to the mixdown. Then I scream "WHERE'S MY DELAY!!!!!" I checked the key commands. I didn't find it, but i could easily have missed something.
 
If anyone knows a fix, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH!!!!
If this is a new feature, i would love to get an on/off function so I can disable delete fx with "delete" shortcut.
 
 
 
2016/02/09 12:32:03
scook
I do not believe it is possible to exempt a particular object from deletion. The delete key deletes whatever has focus.
2016/02/09 12:45:27
Beepster
I've never had this happen. The only way to use the Delete key to delete a plug is if you selected the plug right before hitting delete. Selecting the clip should move the slection (and thus the delete command) away from the plug. I'm not even sure if holding Ctrl after selecting the plug then selecting the clip and THEN hitting delete would cause this.
 
Something weird is going on here.
2016/02/09 12:57:00
scook
Actively selecting the clip after selecting a plug-in moves the focus from the plug-in to the clip. Reverse the order and if one is in the habit of closing the plug-in UI, there is no way to tell the plug-in still has focus. A clip still shows it is selected but the focus shifted to the plug-in. The delete key is active for the plug-in. I believe that is the complaint.
2016/02/09 14:33:31
Beepster
So...
 
Select Clip +
Select Plugin
=
Clip retains focus/selection as well as the plugin
 
User futzes with plugin (and maybe closes the plugin window).
Clip is still selected so user deletes clip.
Plugin turns into collateral damage from the delete.
 
I guess I can see that but I always double check my selections when doing any editing moves, especially a Delete action.
 
In fact I am OBSESSIVE with the Ctrl + Shift + A function (Deselect All) before making any kind of data selections and edits. I do that specifically to ensure I'm not altering/baleeting things offscreen or other stuff I am not aware is still selected. I had a HUGE problem with that when I first got going and of course Sonar's complex Selection/In Focus schemes can lead to all sorts of wackiness if one is not aware.
 
So my best answer...
 
Ctral + Shift + A... even when you think you don't need to. Just do it. All the time. Before EVERY selection. Then do it again and select again if there is a hint of doubt about what is selected.
 
If you are about to Delete something... do that like 10 freaking times if necessary.
 
I do.
 
/bumble thumbed spazzo
2016/02/09 15:32:44
PhilW
I agree - I've done this and it's a pain. It's not clear (at least to me) why the plugin even has focus.  Select a section of a track, hit delete and the plugin disappears. It should be clear from the context of selecting a clip area that Delete should apply to the clip, not the plugin.
 
[UI Whine of the day: It seems bizarre to me that when you select the Punch In start value in the Punch module and then hit Tab it starts tabbing the position in a clip in the Track view. For typing in Punch in/out when your fingers are already on the keyboard it would seem more friendly for the cursor to tab to the punch out field to enter the end  value.]
2016/02/09 16:13:47
John
Are you using the mouse or keyboard to select clips? I tried to reproduce this and couldn't. The FX stayed in the FX bin and the clip was deleted. I recorded to clips one was a piano the other drums. Each 4 or 5 measures long. I selected the clip using the mouse. I used the delete key to delete. 
2016/02/09 16:32:35
Beepster
Yes. Exact repro steps would be great. As I said... never been nailed by this one and it really sounds like something I would do.
2016/02/09 17:47:29
bitman
I have done this.
A Quick Ctrl-Z will make it as if it never happened. Settings and all iir.
 
I think in the case of a plugin there should be a "Are you Sure" dialog with [ ] don't show this again option.
2016/02/09 18:19:45
djserg
Hey Guys,

Thanks for your feedback and questions. So, this happens 2 ways for me.
 
Version 1 (the most common as i love the lasso feature):
I click the plugin in the fx bin, change settings, and close the plugin window.
I select one or more clips, by using the right click lasso feature. 
Press the delete key. Plugin gone!!
 
Version 2.
I select a clip first.
I click the plugin in the fx bin, change settings, and close the plugin window.
Press the delete key. Plugin AND Clip are both gone!!
 
I don't see why this delete shortcut even works on a plugin in the fx bin. Because once you click on the plugin, the plugin window opens, which needs to be closed to allow you to press delete. So that's a click, a close window click and a press delete (3 steps). The only way I have ever deleted a plugin (on purpose) is with the right click/or pull down= 2 quick clicks.
 
Thanks guys.
 
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