• SONAR
  • Longtime -- but only occasional -- user deeply mired in confusion (p.2)
2016/02/18 11:01:07
cbrillow
Zargg71
I had a M-Audio Delta 1010lt in Win7 for years, so you should be ok in that area. Do you use ASIO drivers?

Yes, I use ASIO drivers in the old Win XP Pro machine, in which the Delta is currently located. Today, I'll move it to the Windows 7 machine and see what happens.
 
Zargg7
Have you tried to adjust your latency in SONAR, in Preferences (P), Audio, Playback And Recording. Is your "allocate files" set to anything other than 0 (will slow down that start of project, and is on the same page)? Hope it helps.

 
Given that I had no difficulty in setting it up in XP all those years ago, I don't recall these settings, or if I had to change anything. Seems like it just worked... I'll certainly keep these in mind as I try to get everything going in Windows 7, though.
 
Thanks again, and --- cheers!
2016/02/18 11:06:37
cbrillow
Zargg71
And if your AI suddenly becomes unavailable, it could be due to connection problems of some sort. But it could also be due to taking time to unpack the .bundle, and copying all content to a new location. They can get quite big...
My assumption was that the copying was finished when I'd get a popup about certain plugins not being available in this version of Sonar, and dismissed that dialog, but it still could be doing some kind of housekeeping, I guess.


And, yep -- the bundle file for the current recording project consists of 6 tracks of audio for 13 songs, so it's pretty big. There are no extended jams -- they're all around 3 minutes -- but it's still quite a bit of data, not just one song's worth...
 
Wish me luck!
2016/02/18 14:27:40
Zargg
I used my 1010lt in both XP, Vista and Win 7. Let us know how it goes.
All the best.
2016/02/19 18:58:01
cbrillow
I moved the Win 7 machine down into the music room yesterday, and methodically began swapping out parts from my video editing/recording XP system to the newer one, taking the time after each step to assure that the system would still boot and seemed to be operating correctly.
 
When it came time to deal with the Delta 1010, I downloaded the most recent 64-bit Windows 7 drivers, plugged in the card and let her rip. No difficulty with the installation, and it came up in Sonar X3 without problems. I was somewhat surprised that Sonar didn't automatically run the profile routine on the 'new' card, which always seemed to happen automagically whenever I made a change in previous versions of Cakewalk recording programs.
 
I loaded some of the bundle files that I'd previously tried, and experienced similar results. In most cases, I would load the bundle file, and then be patient, waiting for the UI to show some life. In some cases, it still seems like it's waiting for me to select something or try to play the file before it would spring to life. I'd usually save the project as a new cwp, which, of course, means that it will start up much faster the next time around. This is far more acceptable, and makes it seem like X3 is running almost as I'd expect it to. There are still a couple of weirdnesses, though. I haven't even pinned those down, yet - either they seem a little random/not repeatable, or my aging brain isn't capable of remembering and putting the pieces together to present logically, here.
 
That's as far as I got yesterday, and I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, today. I haven't looked at buffers or latency settings, and have not yet tried to record anything. I've only tested playback.
 
 
2016/02/19 19:01:50
Zargg
If SONAR seems unresponsive, check and make sure that there are no hidden windows behind waiting for your input.
All the best.
2016/02/20 01:53:20
bassman999
Chuck,
 
I have a Delta 1010LT and it works just fine with Sonar Platinum on Windows 10, using Windows 7 64-bit ASIO drivers.
 
Good luck
2016/02/20 07:15:32
cbrillow
Zarrg71
If SONAR seems unresponsive, check and make sure that there are no hidden windows behind waiting for your input.
No, that's not the case. At any rate, it seems that things have improved enough that it's something that I can live with for the moment. I really appreciate your suggestions!
 
bassman999
I have a Delta 1010LT and it works just fine with Sonar Platinum on Windows 10, using Windows 7 64-bit ASIO drivers.

Thanks, bassman! That's certainly good information for future consideration. Nice to know somebody is able to use the Win 7 drivers with Windows 10. Surely, there must be others, as well!
 
The other thing I haven't yet done is to look closely at the drivers that have been chosen by default. With XP - at least at one time in the past - I used ASIO drivers. (think it was ASIO-for-All, but I'm not sure...) As I recall, my new Sonar X3 installation selected MME drivers. I haven't looked at changing them, or even try to record with the system as-is. Maybe that's a project for today...
 
I didn't investigate this situation extensively before deciding on my Win 7 machine for this use. It so happens that this particular machine is more capable than the one on which I currently have Windows 10, which is an older computer that was basically decommissioned. I loaded the Win 10 tech preview on it a couple of years ago, not knowing that Microsoft was going to allow it to legally become a Windows 10 machine at the end of the preview period. Had I known that, I would've installed it on a more capable hardware!
 
The first thought was to put together a new box with a leftover copy of Windows 8 that I've been reserving for updating my XP video/music computer. Then I read about the lack of Windows 10 drivers for the Delta. Can't really justify a new multichannel audio interface, being a retiree who only dabbles in recording, especially when my 1010 works so well. Maybe I'll try it in one of my Win 8 machines, which could be easily updated to 10, for free...
2016/02/20 07:19:40
Zargg
If you have ASIO4ALL, I would uninstall it. I used ASIO drivers on my 1010lt with luck. MME drivers will give you a bigger latency (at least when recording, IIRC). Try setting your ASIO buffer to 1024, and see if it helps.
All the best.
2016/02/20 12:28:10
cbrillow
Don't have ASIO4ALL on the 'new' computer. And it's also possible that I was using ASIO4ALL on a different machine, for a different application. Just to satisfy my curiosity, I'll see if that's what I was using with the Delta on the XP machine. It's been too long and too many computers ago to remember, for certain...
 
And, yes -- I need to change my system specs to reflect the newer hardware...
2016/02/20 15:28:26
cbrillow
Baby steps...
 
Ok, changed driver mode to ASIO, and the M-Audio ASIO drivers show up in both the input and output categories. Did a very short record test, one channel only. Seems to work ok. Hoping that there will be no more surprises...
 
(Also noticed that my system specs already indicated that I was using the M-Audio ASIO drivers, not ASIO4All! Sheesh...)
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