• SONAR
  • Not a feature request, a direction: Make MIDI Better (p.5)
2016/02/09 11:23:14
Sanderxpander
I will look again before commenting more :) 
Always good to learn something new, thanks. 
2016/02/09 11:49:03
KPerry
And I thought there was a key press/mouse combination to mute notes, but I can't work it out right now (and don't have time to dig through the help files).
 
The old (SONAR 8.x) configurable tool definitely did allow you to set up key+mouse to mute a note (and the configurable options were so good - really want them back).
2016/02/09 11:52:50
djserg
THANKS MATT!!!
 
I also would love to see some midi enhancements in Sonar. (And I'm an audio guy). I feel that midi in Sonar is good but not great. It's gotten better and I'm very encouraged that the good guys at CW are making improvements to the PRV. But we need more. Other DAWs are excelling in this field. Cubase is a great model to follow.
 
 
I'll post some recommendations in the proper forum.
 
 
2016/02/09 13:04:17
Sanderxpander
KPerry
And I thought there was a key press/mouse combination to mute notes, but I can't work it out right now (and don't have time to dig through the help files).
 
The old (SONAR 8.x) configurable tool definitely did allow you to set up key+mouse to mute a note (and the configurable options were so good - really want them back).



<p>I will look again before commenting more :)&nbsp;</p> <p>Always good to learn something new, thanks.&nbsp;</p>
 
Honestly I don't even remember if I even looked for a mute tool. I mostly use the smart tool and the regular mute hotkey (k)  did nothing. I'll look tomorrow. 
2016/02/09 13:07:58
Paul P
Sanderxpander
Honestly I don't even remember if I even looked for a mute tool.



It's under the Erase tool in the control bar (to save you hunting for it like I had to).
 
2016/02/09 13:47:14
Klaus
FWIW, to mute a note in PRV using the smart tool: ALT + right click.
 
2016/02/09 14:05:38
Sanderxpander
This thread is starting to prove immensely useful haha :) 
 
Another one then - I wish there was a better visual indication in PRV of which clip I'm editing. To be honest when I open a clip in PRV I expect to see only that clip. Instead, I see basically all midi on the track. 
2016/02/09 17:49:39
Paul P
Sanderxpander
This thread is starting to prove immensely useful haha :) 
 
Another one then - I wish there was a better visual indication in PRV of which clip I'm editing. To be honest when I open a clip in PRV I expect to see only that clip. Instead, I see basically all midi on the track. 



I've been surprised in the other direction.  Add notes to a clip I just opened and they go into another newly created clip with empty space between the two clips.
 
2016/02/09 21:02:26
tenfoot
Sanderxpander
Thanks I'll try using that instead. If it works well my feature request is mainly a matter of reorganization - put a wuantize midi effect on every clip by default (set to zero strength perhaps) and put some sliders in the PRV or imspector. Although, does the quantize midi effect actually visibly move the notes? Sometimes that's quite helpful. 


That would all certainly be great Sanderxpander. Unfortunately  the notes do not move when using the quantize plugin which I too think would be very useful.  
2016/02/10 03:56:19
azslow3
tenfoot
Sanderxpander
Thanks I'll try using that instead. If it works well my feature request is mainly a matter of reorganization - put a wuantize midi effect on every clip by default (set to zero strength perhaps) and put some sliders in the PRV or imspector. Although, does the quantize midi effect actually visibly move the notes? Sometimes that's quite helpful.

That would all certainly be great Sanderxpander. Unfortunately  the notes do not move when using the quantize plugin which I too think would be very useful. 



General MIDI plug-ins do unpredictable from Sonar perspective changes. In general, they can generate different result every time they run (like some Synth do, there was long thread about it and the result was patch points feature in Sonar). And so, in general it is not possible to show what some effect produce till it is applied. And every time it is applies, the result can be different. If they try to show that in PRV, every time you modify some note they re-render effect for the whole clip and you see all notes are changes. Can that be helpful? I do not think so. The only possible solution I can imagine is "freezing clip" with all local effects applied, so it function like "bounce" but with possibility to unfreeze and tune parameters/modify notes. But I guess that is not exactly what you want.
 
Another possibility is to introduce dedicated set of MIDI effects, so there behavior is known (for example they always produce the same output for any particular note). That can do the trick. Unfortunately what is going to happened we can see in audio "filters", introduced in Sonar long time ago. At some point they was converted to ProChannel. And while the effect on audio is exactly the same as from normal Audio FX, thanks to "very special" logic that part is quite buggy from many perspectives...
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