Hello Everyone,
 
For a long time I've been using the free synth drum VST - "ERS Drums".   I have always recorded in 44.1 / 16bit, but recently decided to move to 96000 / 24 bit and now the synth drum has some weird artifacts, especially after the bass drum is hit (I get a weird cracking sound).   

The plugin still works great under 44.1 / 16 bit, but I was wondering if there is some sort of setting in Sonar to get legacy VST's like this one to sound better in higher sampling rate/bit rate projects.

Thank You!

Not sure oversampling would improve the ERS much. If it produces artifacts at native 96K, I would think it would do the same if oversampled.
Why not use SI-drums,Session Drummer 3 or Addictive Drums 2 ? They all come with Platinum.
From what I see ERS is a VST2.3 which is fairly ancient and does not use samples but instead synthesizes the sounds.
Is there a particular sound or kit piece in ERS that you cannot live without?
My advice is use AD2, it will sound unbelievably better.
What is the point of 96K/24 if you are using essentially a drum machine from the 80's or 90's?
There is much debate about 96K bitrate vs 44.1K or 48K. IMHO you will not get much from 96K. Be aware that 96K taxes your CPU 2x that of 48K and the audio files are 2x the size. Unless you have really good mics, pre's and a good room, forget 96K.
Record something at 96K and then 48K. Can you tell the difference ? If not stick with the lower bitrate.
 

microapp
Not sure oversampling would improve the ERS much. If it produces artifacts at native 96K, I would think it would do the same if oversampled.
Why not use SI-drums,Session Drummer 3 or Addictive Drums 2 ? They all come with Platinum.
From what I see ERS is a VST2.3 which is fairly ancient and does not use samples but instead synthesizes the sounds.
Is there a particular sound or kit piece in ERS that you cannot live without?
My advice is use AD2, it will sound unbelievably better.
What is the point of 96K/24 if you are using essentially a drum machine from the 80's or 90's?
There is much debate about 96K bitrate vs 44.1K or 48K. IMHO you will not get much from 96K. Be aware that 96K taxes your CPU 2x that of 48K and the audio files are 2x the size. Unless you have really good mics, pre's and a good room, forget 96K.
Record something at 96K and then 48K. Can you tell the difference ? If not stick with the lower bitrate.
 

 
Hi, thanks for the response.   Actually, yes... the kick on the ERS drums are simply amazing.   I love the other stuff too, but the kick, I can control so much and they sound so analog and synthy!   I can't find a replacement yet for when I want a particular type of kick!   

Actually what I end up doing now is sampling from it in a 44.1/16 project and then loading it into Battery 4 as a sample!  
 
Just wish I could use it again in a 96000 / 24 bit project

You could program you drum track(s), then when you are done, copy the midi to a new project, add the ERS to that project and bounce @ 44.1. Import the bounced audio into your 96 project and Sonar will upconvert the file with no artifacts.
 
Regards,
Dan
 
 

dcumpian
You could program you drum track(s), then when you are done, copy the midi to a new project, add the ERS to that project and bounce @ 44.1. Import the bounced audio into your 96 project and Sonar will upconvert the file with no artifacts.
 
Regards,
Dan
 
 

this is a great idea I never thought of!  yes!
 
thank you!!!!

I would seriously consider just working at 44.1/24-bit or if you must 48/24.

Sanderxpander
I would seriously consider just working at 44.1/24-bit or if you must 48/24.

Especially if this thread was the result of playing at 96K http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3366417

Sanderxpander
I would seriously consider just working at 44.1/24-bit or if you must 48/24.

I started working in 96000 because I read somewhere some plugins work best at that sampling rate.  I could be totally wrong though. Something about the VST not having to downsample or something.

Some do, some don't, some plug-ins don't work at all. Regardless, it will use more resources to run at 96K. FWIW, SONAR can run individual plug-ins at a different sample rate from the project, if desired.

scook
Some do, some don't, some plug-ins don't work at all. Regardless, it will use more resources to run at 96K. FWIW, SONAR can run individual plug-ins at a different sample rate from the project, if desired.

Oh yea?  how can you tell Sonar to upsample a specific VST?
 
Ive read so many places that if you are at 96,000 then you don't have to worry about VST FX possibly distorting the music.