Bristol_Jonesey
I hope you guys are putting feature requests in

I have submitted one several months ago, if anyone else is interested and would like to see a chord track for Splat, feel free to submit another one.

Beepster
R
Spacebar
Repeat
 
or
 
R
Spacebar
Ctrl + Z

 
You left out the "navigate finger(s) to..." for each step.
 
 

bapu
You left out the "navigate finger(s) to..." for each step.

The internal BPU* handles that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
*"Beepster Processing Unit"
 
Not to be mistaken for the more famouser BAPU (Bassimological Alembic Playing Unit).

Just to follow up on this...

Vastman

Kylotan
 
Ultimately I've had to consider whether people are right when they basically say, "if you don't like Sonar, and don't want to use it the normal way, why are you here?" I can try and argue here for the inclusion of features that I like in other DAWs... or I could just use the other DAWs and stop complaining. :)

Don't know WHAT the first part of that sentence is suppose to mean.  Sonar is such a huge, powerful, diverse program there is NO "normal way" to use it and can't imagine the people here saying that.

And yet, you've just posted on another thread of mine where I highlight a pretty dumb usability problem and the other poster gets a 'helpful reply' marker for saying, "I know it doesn't work that way, but there's another way, which is less intuitive and takes longer, so I don't see what the problem is". Unsurprisingly the feature I want works as expected, the sensible way, in Reaper. And in FL Studio. Probably does in Studio One and Cubase too, who knows. Paste operations should operate on the canvas currently visible to the user, as that's where the true 'focus' is - not some arbitrary notion of focus the app decides for you, which isn't even visible in the current window.
 
It's tiring. There are so many nonsensical usability issues like this where the people think that just because they know the workaround, that I am somehow stupid for wanting to not have to do things that dumb way. Same happened the other day, with me saying that markers make it hard to do drag and drop arrangement just for people to reply with either, "don't use markers", "don't use drag and drop", or "don't do arrangement in Sonar" (yeah, thanks Captains Obvious). It's as if people are so proud of finding their workarounds for problems that they no longer accept it's a problem in the first place.
 
So, I'm just tired of it. Tired of Sonar having these silly usability quirks, and tired of the pushback I get from noticing them. And with there being nothing of interest delivered in the last 6 months except aux tracks (which I can't use) and nothing of interest planned for Spring 2016 (except the vague 'Core Editing Fixes & Enhancements') I'm out, basically. Crossgrade time, once I get the cash. Life's too short to have to do things the hard way.

Kylotan
Just to follow up on this...

Vastman

Kylotan
 
Ultimately I've had to consider whether people are right when they basically say, "if you don't like Sonar, and don't want to use it the normal way, why are you here?" I can try and argue here for the inclusion of features that I like in other DAWs... or I could just use the other DAWs and stop complaining. :)

Don't know WHAT the first part of that sentence is suppose to mean.  Sonar is such a huge, powerful, diverse program there is NO "normal way" to use it and can't imagine the people here saying that.

And yet, you've just posted on another thread of mine where I highlight a pretty dumb usability problem and the other poster gets a 'helpful reply' marker for saying, "I know it doesn't work that way, but there's another way, which is less intuitive and takes longer, so I don't see what the problem is". Unsurprisingly the feature I want works as expected, the sensible way, in Reaper. And in FL Studio. Probably does in Studio One and Cubase too, who knows. Paste operations should operate on the canvas currently visible to the user, as that's where the true 'focus' is - not some arbitrary notion of focus the app decides for you, which isn't even visible in the current window.
 
It's tiring. There are so many nonsensical usability issues like this where the people think that just because they know the workaround, that I am somehow stupid for wanting to not have to do things that dumb way. Same happened the other day, with me saying that markers make it hard to do drag and drop arrangement just for people to reply with either, "don't use markers", "don't use drag and drop", or "don't do arrangement in Sonar" (yeah, thanks Captains Obvious). It's as if people are so proud of finding their workarounds for problems that they no longer accept it's a problem in the first place.
 
So, I'm just tired of it. Tired of Sonar having these silly usability quirks, and tired of the pushback I get from noticing them. And with there being nothing of interest delivered in the last 6 months except aux tracks (which I can't use) and nothing of interest planned for Spring 2016 (except the vague 'Core Editing Fixes & Enhancements') I'm out, basically. Crossgrade time, once I get the cash. Life's too short to have to do things the hard way.

If you are doing pure audio, Reaper probably has the workflow you are looking for. If you are doing heavy midi-based compositions with lots of VSTi's, or even external synths, Reaper is going to let you down. There is a lot that you can do with it, and there are plenty of scripts and macros to try and get it to work the way you want, but at the end of the day, they feel like workarounds as well. Cubase or Logic are probably the only DAWs right now that can do what Sonar does midi-wise, and based on the the complaints on the Steinberg forums, there is no greener grass over in Cubase land. Don't know enough about Logic to say one way or the other.
 
There are certainly lots of quirks in Sonar, and I agree completely that workflow could be greatly improved, particularly with things like automation fixes, better grouping, copying FX across tracks, midi layering, arranger track and so on. I do believe that Cakewalk will get there. The years with Roland put them behind the curve, IMO. They'll catch up in the next year or two.
 
Regards,
Dan

I think Sonar has got it about right when I comes to short cut / mouse control. Most tasks you can do both ways, and that is the way it should be.
 
Shortcuts come into their own in highly repetitive tasks. In most cases for non repeated tasks I prefer the extra control mouse/menu operation gives. Things can go wrong pretty quickly with short cuts if you have the wrong focus, I don't even mind the odd "are you sure" now and again. A few more milliseconds to execute but much safer (and that saves time in the long run).
 
I never really understood why CNTL V/C is supposed to be so much quicker, In most instances you have your hand already on the mouse to select the object, right click and select cut is as fast as reaching across to the keyboard, mouse goes straight to the paste location, right click paste.
 
CNTL V + CNTL C is something I only tend to regularly use in java based programs where its not supported or doing some very repetitive pasting. But there are instances where I will use it if I think its easier, it depends on the task and the software.
 
 
 

Kylotan
Just to follow up on this...

Vastman

Kylotan
 
Ultimately I've had to consider whether people are right when they basically say, "if you don't like Sonar, and don't want to use it the normal way, why are you here?" I can try and argue here for the inclusion of features that I like in other DAWs... or I could just use the other DAWs and stop complaining. :)

Don't know WHAT the first part of that sentence is suppose to mean.  Sonar is such a huge, powerful, diverse program there is NO "normal way" to use it and can't imagine the people here saying that.

And yet, you've just posted on another thread of mine where I highlight a pretty dumb usability problem and the other poster gets a 'helpful reply' marker for saying, "I know it doesn't work that way, but there's another way, which is less intuitive and takes longer, so I don't see what the problem is". Unsurprisingly the feature I want works as expected, the sensible way, in Reaper. And in FL Studio. Probably does in Studio One and Cubase too, who knows. Paste operations should operate on the canvas currently visible to the user, as that's where the true 'focus' is - not some arbitrary notion of focus the app decides for you, which isn't even visible in the current window.
 
It's tiring. There are so many nonsensical usability issues like this where the people think that just because they know the workaround, that I am somehow stupid for wanting to not have to do things that dumb way. Same happened the other day, with me saying that markers make it hard to do drag and drop arrangement just for people to reply with either, "don't use markers", "don't use drag and drop", or "don't do arrangement in Sonar" (yeah, thanks Captains Obvious). It's as if people are so proud of finding their workarounds for problems that they no longer accept it's a problem in the first place.
 
So, I'm just tired of it. Tired of Sonar having these silly usability quirks, and tired of the pushback I get from noticing them. And with there being nothing of interest delivered in the last 6 months except aux tracks (which I can't use) and nothing of interest planned for Spring 2016 (except the vague 'Core Editing Fixes & Enhancements') I'm out, basically. Crossgrade time, once I get the cash. Life's too short to have to do things the hard way.

I understand your point of view and agree that some of the workarounds are too convoluted or restrictive.  All I can say is hang in there and keep posting your helpful ideas.  Many of these posters are acting in good faith and trying to be helpful but some treat Sonar more as a deity rather than a tool that all of us have paid for so they can be a bit defensive.  Of course by telling us to go away when we suggest improvements they probably don't realise that they are actually hurting CW in the long run.
 
Cheers

Goddammit! Did I just waste my day explaining workflows to someone moving to S1 anyway?!
 
Sonnuva GAH!!!

"Honestly if you wan't WOW effects...check out the specials over at Waves...every weekend.  In the last two months, I've picked up the Kramer HLS EQ and Pultec Eq for about 50 bucks Oz!! " bought 11 waves plug-ins over the last year, all weekend specials, seems to be a $300 cap on upgrades if your using them on the one rig