WDI
 
But seriously, I don't need a technical lesson. It's coming across a little condescending. Merely trying to explain why I would export an MP3 from Sonar as requested. But regardless,  an explanation or justification should not be needed...

 
I don't think it's unreasonable. In the feature request forum, I always expect people who are proposing to add or change a particular feature to provide an example scenario of its typical use and to explain why it would be beneficial, rather than merely state what they would like to see and wait for votes. I realise that this thread in not in that forum, but maybe it ought to be (if we disregard all the discussion about marketing).

Kev999

WDI
 
But seriously, I don't need a technical lesson. It's coming across a little condescending. Merely trying to explain why I would export an MP3 from Sonar as requested. But regardless,  an explanation or justification should not be needed...

 
I don't think it's unreasonable. In the feature request forum, I always expect people who are proposing to add or change a particular feature to provide an example scenario of its typical use and to explain why it would be beneficial, rather than merely state what they would like to see and wait for votes. I realise that this thread in not in that forum, but maybe it ought to be (if we disregard all the discussion about marketing).

Fair enough.
 
One thing all this has made me think about though is one day I'm probably going to want re-digitize my music collection with a higher quality format. Where as MP3 was universally accepted format, the other lossy and lossless formats not so much.

Doktor Avalanche
Well sir I respect your Pink Floyd collection... You have taste.. Echos is a nice compilation..

Ya, classic rock has stood the test of time for me. Still listen to all that stuff like Genesis, Deep Purple, The Doors etc. But I listen to pretty much anything. From Low to George Straight to Deadmau5 to Sean Hayes etc. Then there's been the phases like Rap (Public Enemy) and Punk (Bad Brains). And on and on and on. But there's something about Floyd that doesn't get old.

 

Kev999

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Referring to post 63, for me, MP3 is proofreading...

 
As for the "proofreading" thing, it's not really recommended to use a format that entails a risk of introducing unwanted artifacts, however small or subtle, if you are going to be listening critically.
 
MP3 files certainly have their place, particulary as a suitable format for uploading music to the web. But conversion to any lossy format should only be done as the very last stage. This doesn't just apply to audio. JPEGs would be similar.

This ^^^^^^
 
Kev, talking of image files, comparing RAW/TIFF/PSD files to JPEGS is an excellent analogy for comparing WAV files to MP3s.
 
I process a lot of my own photos - all the way from the RAW file taken off the camera through conversion to TIFF or PSD to edit, and then resizing, sharpening and, if necessary - changing the file type, to end up with an image appropriate for archiving, printing, or uploading to the web. The final colour corrections and (especially) sharpening can only reliably and accurately be applied to the final file format and image size.
 
Using an 8bit sRGB 900px x 600px 72ppi JPEG image to "proof read" the 16bit AdobeRGB 5200px x 3500px 300ppi TIFF you created it from would be a ridiculous proposition. All you can proof read with an mp3 is an mp3.

cparmerlee
 
It isn't complicated.  Sonar is on a subscription program, although I understand everybody hates that word so I will henceforth use the word Minerva instead so as not to argue about that .. you know -- thing.

We definitely need a new word *
 
Or at least some way of discerning software subscription from other types of subscription.
 
I subscribe to a couple of print magazines, and if I stop subscribing, I still get to keep the issues they've sent me.
 
 
 
* Anywho, I have a suggestion: Subscrurchase..... or maybe better - Purchscription
 
Tell marketing they owe me £3.9m for saving their corporate asses.

SteveStrummerUK
We definitely need a new word *
 
Or at least some way of discerning software subscription from other types of subscription.
 
I subscribe to a couple of print magazines, and if I stop subscribing, I still get to keep the issues they've sent me.
 
 
 
* Anywho, I have a suggestion: Subscrurchase..... or maybe better - Purchscription
 
Tell marketing they owe me £3.9m for saving their corporate asses.

IMO those still carry remnants of "subscription"
 
How about something tried and true?  "Installment Plan" makes the most sense to me.
 
Or if the marketing crowd wants something new, I like "Playaway" since it's like a layaway except you get to play when you make the initial deposit.  I only require $1M USD, quite a bargain compared to Steve's offer 

SteveStrummerUK
All you can proof read with an mp3 is an mp3.

It seems to me there is a very bad assumption being made that accounts for the heartburn about MP3 on this thread.  It appears to me some folks don't understand that SONAR (and other DAWs) are useful tools in a wide variety of cases where the ultimate sound quality is not a requirement.  In my case, I rarely do studio-quality recording.  If I need studio-quality sound, I go to a studio.  But I use the DAW mainly:

• To process live recordings (as many as 16 tracks) for bands, combos, duos, community orchestras, choirs, whatever.  The goal is mostly as a teaching tool for these groups to improve their own performance.
• To enhance computer renderings of compositions and arrangements I write for clients
• To clean up the audio on videos, often captured from cell phones and other low-quality devices

In these cases, MP3 is the (strongly) preferred format for exchange with the clients.  This goes back to the question I have about the focus of Cakewalk's marketing.  It appears to me the company and some percentage of the user base have a very closed-ended view of how people might use SONAR, and this is leading to the hostility toward MP3 and the rather curious aversion to including that as a seamless feature.  And it also leads to giving priority to a certain set of very narrow features while leaving many important areas (notation e.g.) untouched for years.
 
Regarding the repeated claims that supporting MP3 seamlessly would force layoffs, I would simply point out that marketing is not a zero sum game.  It the marketing effort expands the application of the product, then this increases the user base and that pays for the various costs inherent in reaching a broader base.

I use mp3's as well as lossless formats (FLAC mostly). I think Cake got it right in how they handle the license issue. I bought the encoder years ago, and have been able to use it ever since. Why should I (or Cake) pay over and over and over again (every version) for something that is at its heart, a license - ie - should be bought ONCE.
Cake even gives the option for users to install the lame encoder free, with the same functionality. Best of both worlds, IMO.
What would help the user base who seem to be offended that Cake would charge an EXTRA $10 (gasp) for a "Pro" Product - would be if someone (easy for me to say as I'm not volunteering) brushed off the current instructions for installing Lame (both 64 bit and 32 bit) to come up with a sticky on how to do it. It can't be Cake, as they are obligated to collect license fees on behalf of the patent holder.

cparmerlee
[Regarding the repeated claims that supporting MP3 seamlessly would force layoffs, I would simply point out that marketing is not a zero sum game.  It the marketing effort expands the application of the product, then this increases the user base and that pays for the various costs inherent in reaching a broader base.

Unfortunately this is just another Marketing 101 platitude that ignores the economic realities I spent considerable time researching, and supported with actual dollar values. I doubt you have any knowledge about the potential numbers of a "broader base." I also presume you worked in an industry where people could not download your products for free from the comfort of their own homes using BitTorrent. It appears to me that all your comments are based on a lack of understanding of the economics of this industry, the size of this market, the fact that revenues from software are decreasing YOY, and the number of companies that need to split up the revenues from a relatively small and declining legal user base.
 
I promise you this: When Cakewalk is making $2-$3 billion a year, many wonderful things will happen with SONAR, including free MP3 encoding for SONAR. Oh wait...it already offers free MP3 encoding for anyone who wants it. Never mind.

Well I guess it's worth bringing this one out again...