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2018/06/05 14:49:11
Johnbee58
JBG-Thanks for your tips.  Moving the desk back 6 to 10 " can be done, though it might make it a bit harder to get in and out the studio door.  I wouldn't be able to move the speakers further apart because the bases of the stands are really wide and they are already against the short wall.  But the 6 to 10 " movement would allow me to pull the speaker further out from the bass traps.  Yes, these speaker do port bass from a rear cone.
 
Pretty kitty, by the way.
JB
2018/06/05 15:00:41
JohanSebatianGremlin
Johnbee58
I wouldn't be able to move the speakers further apart because the bases of the stands are really wide and they are already against the short wall.  
There are speaker stands available that don't do that. I'm just sayin'. 
2018/06/05 21:33:19
Johnbee58
Getting back to the issue of turning the correction off before rendering/bouncing the mix:  Would it be OK to just delete it from the master buss before rendering?  You might as well anyway if you have it disabled.
 
Reason why I ask is it is an IK Multimedia product and so far I've owned 2 of their products, Miroslav Philharmonik and Sampletank.  If I saved either of them in a mix I wasn't able to re open the project later. The project would just hang when loading.  I've discussed this issue with their Tech support and never got a successful solution, so, if possible, I'd rather not save anything with any IK Multimedia product loaded into it, disabled or not.
 

2018/06/05 21:43:01
Johnbee58
I'm also wondering after I render the corrected remix, how will it sound on my monitor speakers when I play the rendered WAV or MP3?  Will it sound as good there beings that it won't have the room correction?
 

2018/06/06 16:05:17
msmcleod
Johnbee58
I'm also wondering after I render the corrected remix, how will it sound on my monitor speakers when I play the rendered WAV or MP3?  Will it sound as good there beings that it won't have the room correction?
 




In some ways this is pretty subjective, and totally depends on how "wrong" your room is, but in my experience stuff that has been mixed with ARC 2 on, sound good when played without it... not as good ... but good nonetheless.
 
On the other hand, things mixed in my studio without ARC sound absolutely awful on other systems.
 
Try playing a reference track in Cakewalk with ARC on / off and see the difference.... the difference should be more or less the same for your own track (assuming it's well mixed).
 
The point is I guess, that if you've mixed it well it should sound good on any device - which is the whole point of getting your room as flat as possible by using ARC 2. So when you play stuff with it off, although it won't sound perfect, it should still sound good. Of course if you played it in a perfect space, like a professional studio, it should sound just as you mixed it.
 
M.
2018/06/06 16:44:43
JohanSebatianGremlin
Johnbee58
Getting back to the issue of turning the correction off before rendering/bouncing the mix:  Would it be OK to just delete it from the master buss before rendering?  You might as well anyway if you have it disabled.

This is how I solve the correction issue. Set it once and I never have to touch it again. I do my mixes and render with no need to keep track of whether I'm applying correction or not.

http://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Signal-Processors/Equalizers/DEQ2496/p/P0146
2018/06/06 17:15:14
Johnbee58
JohanSebatianGremlin
Johnbee58
Getting back to the issue of turning the correction off before rendering/bouncing the mix:  Would it be OK to just delete it from the master buss before rendering?  You might as well anyway if you have it disabled.

This is how I solve the correction issue. Set it once and I never have to touch it again. I do my mixes and render with no need to keep track of whether I'm applying correction or not.

http://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Signal-Processors/Equalizers/DEQ2496/p/P0146


That's a good point.  Because once you get the correction file you kinda have to tweak that too, right?  I'm just hoping that I won't have the same freezing issue with ARC saved in a project that I have with the other two IKM products I have.
 
JB
2018/06/07 00:08:58
JohanSebatianGremlin
Johnbee58
 
That's a good point.  Because once you get the correction file you kinda have to tweak that too, right?  

I didn't work with any kind of correction file. That particular unit has an RTA with noise generator. I ran the RTA and set the eq to flatten my speaker response. Then I listened to some reference music that I know well and tweaked a bit. Then I saved those settings and I've never had to touch it again.


2018/06/07 12:50:52
msmcleod
JohanSebatianGremlin
Johnbee58
 
That's a good point.  Because once you get the correction file you kinda have to tweak that too, right?  

I didn't work with any kind of correction file. That particular unit has an RTA with noise generator. I ran the RTA and set the eq to flatten my speaker response. Then I listened to some reference music that I know well and tweaked a bit. Then I saved those settings and I've never had to touch it again.






I seriously considered going for a hardware solution myself - as you say, you touch it once and it's done.
 
But to be honest though, ARC 2 isn't that different. Once you've done your measurement that preset is saved and you just stick ARC on the main bus. It's just the matter of remembering to disable it before rendering to WAV.
 
My main reason for going for ARC 2 in the end was that it was a complete "matched" solution. The software / mic / measurement are all designed to work with each other, and it was pretty easy to get it set up. It also claims to do more than just eq, like phase correction and handling standing waves.
 
I've re-arranged my speakers a few times and it only takes 10 minutes to do a complete new measurement.
 
The only downside I've encountered is when using hardware MIDI instruments in my main studio. Before getting ARC 2, I simply ran these into a spare stereo input on my 18i20 and had it send it directly to the monitor output. To get a "corrected" sound however, I have to disable the monitor output on those inputs, and arm a spare track in Sonar to "echo" the signal so it goes through ARC 2. 
 
I've more or less retired my hardware synths now though, and I have samples of most of the sounds I used, so it's no issue now. I spend most of my time in the house on my 6i6 rig with software only instruments in any case, and I can use ARC-2 there too - with a completely different room/set of speakers. I only really use the main studio for vocal recording and mixing (or when I need peace and quiet from my 5yr old!).
 
2018/06/07 17:17:36
Johnbee58
OK Guys!
 
I got the system in the mail yesterday.  I set it up no problem.  I ran a preliminary test this morning (7 measurement points, no room measuring) just to see if and how it was going to work.  When I installed it yesterday and started it, it told me it couldn't find my audio hardware even though the 6i6 was in the drop down.  So I called Sweetwater tech support and he told me that this is because it was running a 44.1 khz and the system MUST be set for 48k to run the measurement software.  So I stole my spine, held my breath and set up Windows to 48k.  Tried to run the measurement software again and it connected.  I had to figure out which outputs CbB used and they were different from the outputs Windows used, so I had to change the outputs for the test too. I have to make notes of all these steps and put them into my "Studio Notes" notebook (paper documents and notes I make for this kind of thing) before I forget them.
 
Anyway, after I ran the rough test I took everything back down to 44.1 and loaded the plug in into the master buss of a project.  It worked great!  I was very impressed by how different the "flat" response sounded over what was just the room.  I did a rendering (remembering to disable ARC) and the only difference I heard was the wav file had a bit more bass response than the mix did in correction mode in the DAW.  So, I reasoned that in playing the wav file, I was, in effect, using my monitor speakers and Windows Media Player as the "playback device" so I went into WMPs equalizer and rolled off some bass and it sounded fine.
 
Tomorrow, I plan on setting it up again and doing a proper 14 point measurement using the tape measure and paper strips to mark the area like it suggests in the instructions.
 
One question remains though-Would I be able to back up the correction file onto a flash drive or something similar just in case I'd have to ever wipe my HDD clean and reinstall everything so I wouldn't have to run a retest?  If so, where is the file located?
 
Thanks for all of your help, everybody!
JB
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