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  • Studio Acoustics Question (p.6)
2018/06/07 17:29:19
msmcleod
The measurement files are stored here:
 
C:\Users\your username\Documents\IK Multimedia\ARC System 2\Measurements
 
They're the .arc2 files in this directory.
 
It took me AGES to find this the first time around!
 
2018/06/09 00:42:58
Johnbee58
Thanks Mark!  I found the file.
 
I did a 14 point measurement today and it went well.  I looked at a few YouTube vids on how to set up and there is one where the guy goes anal and uses a laser pointer and put pieces of paper for his measuring points on a storage box lid and on the floor.  I'm sure you've seen it.  Then I watched IKMs own video on the set up and they said it doesn't have to be all that critically accurate (paraphraising).  I'm mean, I'm not knocking the guy who did the elaborate vid.  He seems like he really knows his stuff (he's says he's a pro audio engineer), but I did find it strange that he went to all this trouble to painstakingly measure what appears to be an unfinished room.  It has no flooring and some of the walls don't even have insulation or drywall.  There are tool boxes and ladders all over the room too.  I hope he redid the measurement after the room was finished.
 
After I did my 14 point I opened one of my most difficult songs to see how much had to be remixed.  I was hoping not too much, but it appears that I'm going to have to tear down the whole mix on that song and start all over from the drums on up.  It's the kind of song that starts quiet and builds up to a point where it's much louder and fuller towards the end.  I had to decide whether to use automation to "ride the faders" at the louder points, use mix buss compression or perhaps even both.  I have a great mix buss compressor (Waves SSL) but I hesitate to use it because I generally dislike compression because it tends to kill dynamics, but I know sometimes it's a necessary evil.
 
I appreciate the technical help I get from this forum.  It means a lot to me.  Your help was invaluable with the ARC/Room acoustics issue.
 
JB
2018/06/09 03:37:43
AT
I never felt I needed ARC.  After this thread, I feel like I did the right thing.
2018/06/09 09:22:10
Johnbee58
AT
I never felt I needed ARC.  After this thread, I feel like I did the right thing.


Well, goody goody for YOU!  Exactly what is the point of a post like this?  To piss somebody off?  To intimidate somebody or to show how cool/smart you are?  Sadly, there many people on this forum with this kind of attitude.  If you don't have anything constructive to add to a thread (of mine or anybody else's) please don't bother posting anything to it. 

 
Thank you.
2018/06/09 20:01:00
bitflipper
Don't take offense, JB. AT is not the only one here who thinks ARC is snake oil.
 
Of course, if it works for you, it works for you. Just know that opinions are (legitimately) divided on ARC.
2018/06/09 20:17:56
Johnbee58
bitflipper
Don't take offense, JB. AT is not the only one here who thinks ARC is snake oil.
 
Of course, if it works for you, it works for you. Just know that opinions are (legitimately) divided on ARC.


To tell the truth, I don't know if it will work for me or not at this point.  I took the advise of a handful of people here and now I have to try some remixes and see.  But I only wish if there was going to be some voicing their negative opinion of it they would've came out with them before I installed the program last Wednesday.  Then again, I could've (should've) waited a bit longer to order it.

2018/06/10 02:04:51
bitflipper
...I only wish if there was going to be some voicing their negative opinion of it they would've came out with them before I installed the program...

 
Sorry. Unfortunately, ARC is one of those religious topics that can spur flame wars, so doubters usually keep quiet lest they inflame the faithful.
 
To be fair, some of the ARC fans here are people I have immense respect for. People like Danny Danzi, who gets unarguably superb results and also credits ARC for some of his success. I suspect the fact that he's a really good mixer might have far more to do with it.
2018/06/10 02:27:20
Johnbee58
bitflipper
 
To be fair, some of the ARC fans here are people I have immense respect for. People like Danny Danzi, who gets unarguably superb results and also credits ARC for some of his success. I suspect the fact that he's a really good mixer might have far more to do with it.




 
..................or possibly both?......
 
I find it odd that they can add their 2 cents to this thread now that I'm into it and there's no turning back.  Next time I'm considering buying something I guess I'll have to post a thread here for opinions before hand and go by the negs and poss before I lay down my cash.
 
By the way, BF-I was just looking at your thread you posted last year about your Sampletank.  I didn't want to go into the whole lengthy thing, but did you resolve your $10.00 issue with them?  I have an issue with them about Miroslav Philharmonik getting broken when I upgraded from Sonar X3 to CbB.  I guess I'll be asked to pay $10.00 too if it involves a re download.
 

2018/06/10 10:21:08
David
You seem really upset over one comment , If this was the only post  on the internet on how to install Arc 2
I doubt I would have tried it as well :) there was lots of misunderstanding and over complicating things .
   You got some great advice and being able to hear correctly is so worth the gamble of buying the software.
You will grow in knowledge of your room just by looking at your room readings if nothing else.
    Some of have spent hours and hours and hours treating our rooms , taking measurements and trying 
programs like Arc 2 and Sonarworks just to be able to hear correctly .  I have used a Hardware eq for years just to 
  smooth out the last touches on my room but have just purchased Sonarworks ( I own Arc 2 as well) We will see of 
   I stay with this or not ,
     Anyway with your Room I do think you made to correct choice , enjoy!
2018/06/10 12:59:14
Johnbee58
David
You seem really upset over one comment , If this was the only post  on the internet on how to install Arc 2
I doubt I would have tried it as well :) there was lots of misunderstanding and over complicating things .
   You got some great advice and being able to hear correctly is so worth the gamble of buying the software.
You will grow in knowledge of your room just by looking at your room readings if nothing else.
    Some of have spent hours and hours and hours treating our rooms , taking measurements and trying 
programs like Arc 2 and Sonarworks just to be able to hear correctly .  I have used a Hardware eq for years just to 
  smooth out the last touches on my room but have just purchased Sonarworks ( I own Arc 2 as well) We will see of 
   I stay with this or not ,
     Anyway with your Room I do think you made to correct choice , enjoy!


I think so too.  I don't know (but I highly doubt) if there are many home recordists that work in a room quite as small as mine.  5' X 12' is tiny.  Barely bigger than a closet.  There is a laundry area in my house just for the washer and dryer and this room is only slightly bigger than that.  Also, I have room treatment.  Not just some jerry-rigged furniture blanket set up, but the real thing that's used in pro studios and I had professional guidance on how/where to place it.
Last night I read some reviews on ARC and the one on "Sound On Sound" seems favorable.  Maybe these doubters don't need it and that's OK.  If you don't need it you don't need it.  But with the size of my room I needed something.  I started this thread asking for advise (and even supplying pictures) on how to improve my studio acoustics.  I got many responses very quickly and more than one seemed to endorse ARC. No negative comments in that early period of time either.  I made the choice and some very knowledgeable people guided me through a process that they believe works. 
 
In the end it all comes down to what Dirty Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood) said in "The Dead Pool"
-Opinions are like a**holes.  Everybody has one"
One of my favorite quotes ever.  I should think of that more in my dealings with some people.
JB
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