• SONAR
  • Will we finally see a Mac version of Cakewalk? (p.2)
2018/06/08 02:16:15
AT
bapu
History is starting to repeat itself.
 
Everyday.




Is it rhyming yet?  Or farcing?
2018/06/08 09:03:45
pwalpwal
who knows, they may have codeweavers beavering away again already...
2018/06/08 11:02:02
iRelevant
I think it's a bad idea. Mac is where developed DAW's go to die.
2018/06/08 17:48:05
abacab
pwalpwal
who knows, they may have codeweavers beavering away again already...




Just leave it to "codeweaver beaver" ...
2018/06/08 17:59:58
tlw
pwalpwal
porting stuff after developing it for a different platform is always a nightmare and never gives the hoped-for results


Photoshop?
Lightroom?
Cubase?

All developed originally for one platform then for another as well. All work pretty much equally on the platforms they’re developed for.
2018/06/08 18:04:40
dubdisciple
bapu
History is starting to repeat itself.
 
Everyday.

Repeating is starting to history itself!
2018/06/08 18:12:01
dubdisciple
pwalpwal


Photoshop?
Lightroom?
Cubase?

All developed originally for one platform then for another as well. All work pretty much equally on the platforms they’re developed for.


Each of these cases involved either a product made cross platform early in development or rewritten from ground up by a company with deep pockets and damn near monopoly on product. Taking an early version of cubase and porting is not nearly as hard as taking same product 30 years later and porting. Cubase didn’t even have vsts then
2018/06/08 18:12:27
abacab
tlw
pwalpwal
porting stuff after developing it for a different platform is always a nightmare and never gives the hoped-for results


Photoshop?
Lightroom?
Cubase?

All developed originally for one platform then for another as well. All work pretty much equally on the platforms they’re developed for.



I think the key issue is that the current Sonar real-time audio engine is very tightly coupled with Microsoft programming libraries, and other Windows specific technology.  Removing that would be in essence a total re-write.
 
Photoshop and Lightroom are not valid comparisons, because they do not process audio in real-time.
 
Cubase became cross platform long before the modern Windows era, in the XP/2000 days: https://www.soundonsound..../steinberg-cubase-sx-2
 
To write a cross platform desktop application from scratch today, you would be advised to steer clear of platform specific technologies, and code everything from scratch using only cross platform libraries.
 
Sonar performs as well as it does, because it is so highly tuned for Windows.
2018/06/08 18:23:32
tlw
JonD
Forgive my ignorance (I'm not a Mac user), but is running an Hackintosh still an option?
 
I thought I read something about Apple moving away from Intel, so I'm not sure if or when that will happen. But for the time being, especially now that CWbBL is free, any Hackintosh user on the planet can have it -- so a native Mac version has got to be way, way down on Bandlab's priority list.


Hackintoshes can be a nightmare to build and keep running. Then there’s the problem of obtaining the operating system and keeping it updated. It’s easy enough to build something that will run the free, downloadable by anyone version of MacOS but that’s the FreeBSD derived Unix/GNU side without the Aero graphical interface.

Despite what some fanbois say Hackintoshes are not a production platform.

There’s also the problem that to build a Hackintosh using as closely as possible the same components as a Mac costs quite a bit more than buying a Windows PC - and you still don’t get a Retina screen. Then you have to start configuring the OS to operate on hardware it’s not entirely intended for.

All in all, putting together a Hackintosh is not a trivial task.

As for Apple moving away from Intel, time will tell, though I can’t see it happening soon. Apple may at some point shift to using the processor family used in iOS devices but although they’re fast at doing what they’re designed to do they’re not (yet) a competitor to a fast multi-core Intel cpu which was designed without worrying over such concerns as battery life or the lack of active cooling.

Cakewalk for Mac? I’d love to see it as Sonar beat Logic in some respects, particularly MIDI handling and a (too me) more logical structure and workflow. But it would mean Bandlab building a Mac version from the ground up, the codeweaver approach tried under Gibson being pretty much a pointless exercise other than providing a demonstration of how not to port a large, complicated resource-demanding application.

Then there’s the problem of CbBL for Mac recovering the money required to create it. For a company with deep enough pockets and the right business plan it would be possible, but Cakewalk never really had that kind of backing behind the company as it moved through successive owners, in particular Roland and Gibson both lacked the capital and the leverage to spend money they might not start to get back for quite some time.
2018/06/08 18:35:22
dubdisciple
I definitely prefer working with midi in sonar compared to logic. Mixing too
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