2016/01/29 17:17:07
Tenca
In Staff I guess that there is a way, to change the the Sharps to Flats, in a Cloned track that is muted. That way your not changing the sound of the music, but using that track just to read the note's in a transposed to Eb Sax, to read the staff in that view to play the melody.   Q is how do i change the Sharps to Flats in one track after transposing for Eb Sax? Thank you    
2016/01/29 23:44:47
noynekker
Tenca, your question exposes the limitations of Sonars staff view. Enharmonic equivalents are not easy to set.
The only way I know of is to right click on a staff view note, and actually type in the enharmonic equivalent in Note Properties. Unfortunately, you can only do this one note at a time, so it's tedious work to do it for a whole track.
 
To get Flats you would have to change the project key signature to a "Flat" key, but then they wouldn't really "display"
 
It would be most ideal to use the "Process - Find / Change" feature FOR EXAMPLE: to find all the D#'s . . . and simply replace them with Eb's . . . but that doesn't work, and you can't type it in Event Inspector either. Sonar staff view note display is tied to the project key signature. Only a proper notation based software will get what you're asking for.
2016/01/30 00:10:33
Susan G
noynekker
Tenca, your question exposes the limitations of Sonars staff view. Enharmonic equivalents are not easy to set.
The only way I know of is to right click on a staff view note, and actually type in the enharmonic equivalent in Note Properties. Unfortunately, you can only do this one note at a time, so it's tedious work to do it for a whole track.
 
To get Flats you would have to change the project key signature to a "Flat" key, but then they wouldn't really "display"
 
It would be most ideal to use the "Process - Find / Change" feature FOR EXAMPLE: to find all the D#'s . . . and simply replace them with Eb's . . . but that doesn't work, and you can't type it in Event Inspector either. Sonar staff view note display is tied to the project key signature. Only a proper notation based software will get what you're asking for.


Hi Tenca/noynekker-
 
Unless something's changed since I last did this, you can set enharmonic equivalents like this:
 
Using the D# to Eb example-
 
1. Select the MIDI track(s) you want to process. No need to select individual notes.
2. Bring up the Process - Find/Change window.
3. Clear all the check boxes (The button is "None", IIRC)
4. Enter "D#?" in the Search For box and click OK.
5. Enter "Eb?" in the Replace With or whatever-it's-called box and click OK.

The "?" is so all octaves are covered in the search/replace. If you want only a specific octave, you can enter that by number instead.
 
I can't run SONAR right now, so the window/button names might not be exact, but this has always worked for me.
 
-Susan
2016/01/30 00:50:42
SquireBum
EDIT:  OOPS!  Looks like Susan beat me to it. 
 
Tenca,
  Suggest you read through the page in the Sonar help file section:  Notation and lyrics > Basic music editing > Using enharmonic spellings.
 
As has been already mentioned in a previous post, all staves in the Sonar Staff view share the same key signature.  However, enharmonic spellings can be globally changed on a track for single note spellings (Ex:  change all D#'s to Eb).
 
I tested the following procedure using the "Manchester Update 1 (21.12.00.36)" release of Sonar Platinum.
 
  1. Select the track that contains the notes that require enharmonic spelling changes.
  2. Run the Process > Find/Change... menu option.
  3. Click the None button to clear the Event Filter - Search dialog.
  4. Click the Note checkbox and enter the note spelling you want to change followed by a question mark ("?") wild card in the Min and Max edit boxes.  [Example:  D# ?]
  5. Click OK.
  6. Enter the new enharmonic spelling [Example: Eb ?] in Min and Max edit boxes of the Event Filter - Replace dialog.
  7. Click OK.
  8. Repeat steps 1 to 7 for any additional note spelling changes.
 
Result:  All notes in all octaves with a D# spelling change to Eb on the selected track.
 
 
Hope this helps,
-- Ron
 
2016/01/30 01:13:25
noynekker
SquireBum and Susan . . . Thank you for this ! . . . I've tried this many times, but never got it to work, your detailed instructions made me realize the step I was missing . . . I was trying FOR EXAMPLE: Find D#5? . . . Replace with Eb5? . . . but you really need to enter it as Find D#? . . . Replace with Eb?.
 
Thank you so much, I'll use this a lot., now that I know it's possible, and for the OP, Tenca, I think this is the solution you are looking for.
2016/02/04 04:30:12
Susan G
noynekker
SquireBum and Susan . . . Thank you for this ! . . . I've tried this many times, but never got it to work, your detailed instructions made me realize the step I was missing . . . I was trying FOR EXAMPLE: Find D#5? . . . Replace with Eb5? . . . but you really need to enter it as Find D#? . . . Replace with Eb?.
 
Thank you so much, I'll use this a lot., now that I know it's possible, and for the OP, Tenca, I think this is the solution you are looking for.


Hi noynekker-
 
You're more than welcome! Hope Tenca checks back and sees this as well.
 
-Susan
2016/02/04 04:42:43
ChristopherM
I don't use Staff view much these days, but I vaguely recall that the presentation of enharmonics follows the pattern of the key signature set at that point. So use Project - Insert Meter/Key Change on the track in question before the notes you are interested in and choose a key that has the notes the way you want to see them. I don't think Sonar cares whether the track is muted or not.
2016/02/04 04:51:32
Snehankur
The Question mark solved the question !!
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