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2016/01/29 15:51:22
diggerbarnz
although I'm older than Moses..I'm re-discovering sonar &  wanna know WHY or how 2 fix this - 
I record a phrase on guitar then enable groove clip looping, but then it gets all funky garbled - echoed etc - workaround so far...if I go back & UP the tempo, it fixes it -please help - I'm relying heavily on making tracks this way
2016/01/29 17:51:40
Beepster
Hmm...
 
Are you changing your project tempo? If the Groove Clip plays back at the tempo it was recorded at (and no other alterations such as pitch or whatever have been applied) then it should just play back like a regular clip.
 
If you ARE changing your project tempo or fiddling with it somehow then what you are hearing is the "Online" rendering. This is inferior quality and is only meant as a reference for what your changes may sound like (such as stretching due to tempo changes).
 
When you are done then you need to use "Bounce To Clip(s)" from the right click menu to have the clip "rendered" using the "Offline" rendering algorithms which are far superior (but use more resources so can't be used in real time playback). There are multiple algorithms to choose from that can make the results of the render better based on the type of material being altered.
 
Sometimes the render doesn't eliminate all of the "artifacts" though (which is that warbling/weird arse noise you here). In that case you can go even deeper and open the Groove Clip in the Loop Constructor View and manually manipulate the transient markers to make it stretch better with less artifacts. That is kind of advanced though but worth reading up on.
 
Cheers.
2016/01/29 18:16:03
diggerbarnz
thx Beep - I wasnt changing tempo...just realized that that fixes the echo - if I play back grooved clip @ a faster tempo that is...
I've been looking for instruction, closest I came was vid saying "snap to grid" should be on...it is, 
I get this "hidden data beyond slip edit points will be discarded" message when it does screw up - just tried bouncing to clip...did nothing - then bounced to track, then it stretches it big time
2016/01/29 18:44:17
Beepster
Sounds like somehow the original clips are having a tempo (or maybe pitch) stamped to them then when you loop them they stretch to whatever your project tempo is (which would... from your perspective make them OOT).
 
I know there is some fiddly settings that can make weird crap like this happen but I'm not familiar enough to tell you where to look.
 
Or maybe it's a time sig thing. Is this project in an odd time sig (like compound)? Maybe that's borking something out in the process (again a Sig being stamped to the clip then when you loop it it tries to conform to the project sig).
 
Hopefully the other dudes can be more helpful.
 
Cheers.
2016/01/29 18:50:55
diggerbarnz
well, I do appreciate your attempt to help, my grasp doesn't help! I set a tempo so I have metronomes help - play 4 bars & all goes to hell :?( I'll try guys on helix forum to see if there's any Sonar 8 users around - cheers
2016/01/29 19:13:08
Beepster
Oh... this is in Sonar 8? Yeah I just became even more useless. I'm an X series brat. Things might have changed since 8.
 
Maybe put that in your title. Might get some more answers.
 
Cheers and good luck.
2016/01/29 19:47:28
diggerbarnz
Beepster
Oh... this is in Sonar 8? Yeah I just became even more useless. I'm an X series brat. Things might have changed since 8.
 
Maybe put that in your title. Might get some more answers.
 
Cheers and good luck.


Sorry brother - thought that's where I was! Told ya I was older than Moses
2016/01/30 00:12:05
AT
You need to check the grove clip for the # of beats - that is often the wrong guess by sonar, producing exactly your problem.
2016/01/30 08:28:22
diggerbarnz
AT
You need to check the grove clip for the # of beats - that is often the wrong guess by sonar, producing exactly your problem.


Sorry but how please? I use snap to grid function for fine point split & deletion & have never used audio snap - is that where I need to be looking?
2016/01/30 13:23:19
diggerbarnz
found 3 pages in help files on subject - thx again for responses
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