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  • Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed.... (p.2)
2016/01/23 11:06:19
mettelus
JonD
I think Gibson has already shown it's commitment to Cakewalk by what they've done in the past year.  




I am confused by this comment... it almost implies that Gibson is doing Cakewalk's work for them. Regardless, anyone would realize "you only get one chance to make a first impression" is huge with marketing. How many first-time buyers hang around waiting on a representative and end up buying?
2016/01/23 11:22:02
JonD
mettelus
JonD
I think Gibson has already shown it's commitment to Cakewalk by what they've done in the past year.  




I am confused by this comment... it almost implies that Gibson is doing Cakewalk's work for them...



Taken in the context of the OP's post, how is it confusing?  I think "commitment to Cakewalk" implies exactly what I meant -- and is surely clear to any member of this forum who's been here more than five minutes. 
2016/01/23 11:34:38
pwalpwal
JonDI think Gibson has already shown it's commitment to Cakewalk by what they've done in the past year. 

is this "they" cakewalk or gibson? if it's gibson, what have they done? (sorry to sound dumb)
2016/01/23 11:40:42
JonD
pwalpwal
JonDI think Gibson has already shown it's commitment to Cakewalk by what they've done in the past year. 

is this "they" cakewalk or gibson? if it's gibson, what have they done? (sorry to sound dumb)


 
I meant Gibson, but I'm not sure why that matters.

Let me put it this way.  The OP is blaming Gibson, not Cakewalk, for the lack of presence at NAMM. 
 
It is in this context that my comments were made.  Whether or not you believe Gibson does or doesn't do anything for Cakewalk is really a separate discussion.
 
Hope that's a bit more clear.
2016/01/23 11:44:50
scottpatrickbass
JonD, if you are a moderator using a standard account I completely understand and respect your calm and mitigating comments. If not I again would like to clarify that staff I am referring to would be VP/director/management of the Cakewalk business unit, not the governing entity of Gibsons team. This isnt just some small event, this is THE event that sets the tone for rest of the year. And for someone like a Cakewalk reseller who had say 6-7 stores to walk away frustrated with Cakewalk here is a huge problem. So I stand by my statement of replacement.
 I will qualify it with this. Gibson has share holders, and as such their number one priority is to make a profit for the corporation, in scenarios for which a company is incorporated in the United States, this is actually a law... So spending 7 figures on this trade show and to not have an extra monitor which has touch which could be obtained for less than $500, to not have a single extra salaried employee which only costs food/flight/hotel is inexcusable and to not take the extra 30mins to setup the purchasable add-on products and use a large project has absolutely no excuse. If I didn't care about Sonar in wouldn't have taken the time to talk about this in the forums, but I do - truly. The one guy that does the Boz Labs products had a better setup at his 4ft table up stuffed away in the back corner upstairs, and he was always there and demonstrated everything as requested to everyone that came by when I was up there. So yes, the marketing/sales team should be replaced as this is the second year with the same situation. I would be happy to here any scenario in which the presentation of Sonar @ ,NAMM this year is acceptable and isn't actually costing Gibson Corp profits in the big picture and these people did their jobs.
Perception is reality, and if the perception is Gibson as a corpration doesn't care about selling Sonar from a vendor perspective, this will trickle down to the user base whether we want it to or not. The fall of Novell the technology company is the perfect example of this, never is it quality, its marketing which fosters perception, which decides the fate of products and in turn companies.
2016/01/23 11:51:49
musicjohnnie
Good day,
 I think that in the very beginning when cake announced the buy out, they stated that Gibson was not going to interfere with the running of Cake. So, in that being stated, the responsibility sits in Cake's court. Maybe cake would consider having a West coast group of users they have faith in to be at a booth at NAMM. Wasn't Craig at NAMM this year. I haven't heard from him on this. Or are you just remaining quiet.🔉
MJ
2016/01/23 11:53:40
scottpatrickbass
Also I've been a registered user for 12 years, just never on the forums which anyone from the company can see the tons of cash I've spent supporting this product, upgrading and paying every year a producer edition user, and just because I first posted today in no way shape or form dictates my reading them over the years. This was just something I'm honestly so worried about that I felt I needed to.
2016/01/23 12:00:56
scottpatrickbass
musicjohnnie
Good day,
 I think that in the very beginning when cake announced the buy out, they stated that Gibson was not going to interfere with the running of Cake. So, in that being stated, the responsibility sits in Cake's court. Maybe cake would consider having a West coast group of users they have faith in to be at a booth at NAMM. Wasn't Craig at NAMM this year. I haven't heard from him on this. Or are you just remaining quiet.🔉
MJ

100% agree with everything except having people work for free to fill the void. Why should any of us work for free to help someone else make money? I know that's a double standard for me to say it as that's what I did yesterday in a nutshell, but that was one day, me - one person. And remember that there are people that work and get paid there, that this is their job. I would suggest a breakout session with volunteers may be more appropriate? 
2016/01/23 12:04:54
musicjohnnie
SPB,
I know what you mean. I have been a user since midiman. Or was it some other product. I haven't had much problem with any of the installs from cake, just interface issues. All good now, just hoping cake can carry on. I think Gibson has some plans there not letting out. I'm surprised that tascam has not been joined at the hip with Sonar. But that's their decision, not ours. So, keep rocking
MJ
2016/01/23 12:08:07
musicjohnnie
The free part I was kinda hoping cake would maybe kick down some stuff to make it appealing. Lol
MJ
 
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