subtlearts

Bristol_Jonesey

subtlearts

Karyn
7)  Someone posts a 6 point summation of the entire thread,  forgetting to add their summation of the thread as point 7 
 

8) Touché! ;)

Fixed!

Thanks. See, this place isn't so bad after all!

AMEN!

subtlearts
Here's the pattern that I notice: 
 
1) a completely unheard-of member, whether new or of the silent-lurker variety, posts an incoherent micro-rant about how Sonar is useless garbage and Cakewalk are criminals, and usually demands a refund. Almost without exception there is no specific problem mentioned, and no indication that they are looking for a solution. 
 
2) active forum members respond with a mix of bemusement and annoyance, and usually someone picks apart the original post in some level of detail, noting its aggressive tone and lack of specificity.  
 
3) someone else steps up and begins screaming loudly that somehow this proves that the forum is actually a den of fanboy fascists who will not tolerate dissenting voices, or indeed anyone who has the audacity to mention that the software might have any flaws at all, or that the forum is not a blissful utopia of happy collective self-congratulation. The fact that there are at any given moment over a hundred active threads of people discussing bugs, proposing features or improvements we'd like to see, and above all helping each other sort out problems, is immaterial to this poster, who also siezes on any disagreement with their vitriolic rant as proof. 
 
4) the OP however rarely if ever reappears. Their work here is done. 
 
5) some of us can't help but wonder if the OP troll and the anti-fascist champion are in fact the same person. Others wonder if the OP is a mole representing a competitor, or just a fanchild of a competitor's product. 
 
6) Life goes on, we turn our attention back to more interesting/productive pursuits, but the place is a little diminished.
 
I have to say, I think in general it would be better if we just collectively tried to overcome the impulse to respond, and let these threads that are obviously going nowhere slide gracefully down the page into oblivion. I know I've just done the opposite here, but I'm going to try to adopt that stance in future. 
 
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There are other forums online that call this the "Sonar Forum Beatdown".  Lmao!!!!

kb420
There are other forums online

WHAT??

subtlearts
Here's the pattern that I notice: 
 
1) a completely unheard-of member, whether new or of the silent-lurker variety, posts an incoherent micro-rant about how Sonar is useless garbage and Cakewalk are criminals, and usually demands a refund. Almost without exception there is no specific problem mentioned, and no indication that they are looking for a solution. 
 
2) active forum members respond with a mix of bemusement and annoyance, and usually someone picks apart the original post in some level of detail, noting its aggressive tone and lack of specificity.  
 
3) someone else steps up and begins screaming loudly that somehow this proves that the forum is actually a den of fanboy fascists who will not tolerate dissenting voices, or indeed anyone who has the audacity to mention that the software might have any flaws at all, or that the forum is not a blissful utopia of happy collective self-congratulation. The fact that there are at any given moment over a hundred active threads of people discussing bugs, proposing features or improvements we'd like to see, and above all helping each other sort out problems, is immaterial to this poster, who also siezes on any disagreement with their vitriolic rant as proof. 
 
4) the OP however rarely if ever reappears. Their work here is done. 
 
5) some of us can't help but wonder if the OP troll and the anti-fascist champion are in fact the same person. Others wonder if the OP is a mole representing a competitor, or just a fanchild of a competitor's product. 
 
6) Life goes on, we turn our attention back to more interesting/productive pursuits, but the place is a little diminished.
 
I have to say, I think in general it would be better if we just collectively tried to overcome the impulse to respond, and let these threads that are obviously going nowhere slide gracefully down the page into oblivion. I know I've just done the opposite here, but I'm going to try to adopt that stance in future. 
 
EDITED for one spelling correction

You deserve an award, both for this briliant summation and your uber-cool user name Tobias! Subtlearts indeed:)

Geez. Learning to use a DAW is not easy. Knowing your limitations... Figuring out the limitations of your system considering all the different ways a PC can be put together, if it is an old or new machine, what other programs it is running, if the WIFI is on, just SO much.... so many variables What interface? How much RAM? So many ???... then running a complex piece of software like Sonar.... EXACTLY WHAT MESS?
Most of the trouble I have is because I don't understand how something works or I forget a setting. Audio? MIDI? Latency? What Mess?
I should not have to ask for help. Everything should just work no matter what. I guess... I don't get it.
 
J

pinger7
I would like my money back

Ok, I'll help you.
 
AFAIK, Cakewalk software are NFR (Not For Resale).
 
See? Easy.
 
Next question?

I've been a Cakewalk forum member since back when they were hosted by CompuServe.
Prior to the forums moving to the Internet, discussions had more of a "professional" tenor (more signal/less noise).
That said, I really don't think these forums are particularly bad.  
Bias?  Cliques?  Extreme response/behavior?
You can find that on numerous forums... (including those where it's popular to criticize these forums)
 
If the OP is truly interested in peer-to-peer help, he/she will find it (here).
That's something that hasn't changed over the years...
If he/she simply wants to vent, etc... that's certainly their prerogative... but it's not moving toward any type of resolution to the problem.
Working with technical tools has and always will be about problem solving.
In well over 20 years working with DAWs, there's almost always a solution/workaround to a problem.
 
Just my opinion, but in any social situation, if you open the conversation with "negatively charged" tenor, you're going to turn some folks off.  Doesn't matter if it's on GearSlutz, Fractal Audio, Cakewalk, Steinberg, KVR forums... or live in person at a gig, party, etc.
 
If the OP wants help, ask.
 

pinger7
I'm not a Beta tester....while you get rich.
Step up to the plate and prove me wrong.
I started with you because your name was ROLAND...and
now look at us on Forms always trying to resolve your mess.

If I am allowed to make a comment:
I. Its not that easy to qualify one as a beta tester.
ii. It requires command over the subject, process, the software itself, analyzing capability and most of all The Temperament [... not Temper]
iii. This a forum of users, some are very experienced and helpful as well as some are struggling to understand and trying to take the best of the software [like me]
iv. There is a demo version available which I think 90% functional [I am not sure]
v. No one here is sitting with a cashbox to disburse refund, but plenty are here to help in case of queries/problems/questions.
 
 

I have to say, I think in general it would be better if we just collectively tried to overcome the impulse to respond, and let these threads that are obviously going nowhere slide gracefully down the page into oblivion. I know I've just done the opposite here, but I'm going to try to adopt that stance in future.

 
+1 to that!
 
Oh wait, I responded. Darn!

subtlearts
Here's the pattern that I notice:
 

+1000 Thanks for that, Mr. Tinker. 
 
As much of a chuckle as I got out of the first few responses, I look forward to the day that one of these one-post wonders sinks into oblivion without a single response.
 
I've seldom contributed to the mayhem, myself, and I hereby pledge that this will be the last one I read, much less respond to.