• SONAR
  • HELP! ISSUE WITH MIDI (p.3)
2016/01/24 16:31:13
ricoskyl
Before you spend money on a new controller, make sure you've been through all the details of your set-up.  Have you used the Cakewalk troubleshooter for audio configuration problems?  http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=0x18909.  
 
Next, remember that MIDI and AUDIO are really different issues.  You use the MIDI to control sound generators and effects.  When you've installed a VST or DXi instrument (like Cakewalk's TTS-1) as a simple instrument track (start with that setting) you should be able to choose Tyrol channel 1 as your input, but if you leave the channel blank or set it to OMNI that will also work.  Does Tyros show up as an input source?  That means that it will send control signals to MIDI.
 
SONAR routes the MIDI to the plug-in instrument, TTS-1 or whatever you've chosen.  This is why you should see the intrument's meters jump when you play.  If you do, compare the instrument's meters to the track's meters.  They should more or less match.  If so, you're on the right track. (Sorry about the pun.)
 
Now, take a look at the track's output options.  The choices here should include your Edirol sound card as well as routing choices (e.g. new bus, patch point, etc.).   Choose your Edirol sound card.  If you have used this card with your current speakers without distortion before now, you probably have your hardware connected properly.  If you have too much delay or distortion, it probably has to do with your audio driver settings.
 
For this part, you'll be editing preferences under the Edit menu.  (Shortcut to this screen is the P key.)   Looking under Audio, let's work from the top down.  On the Devices page, you should see your Edirol card listed under Output drivers and it should be checked to show that you want to use it.  Does it show up?  Click apply before changing screens.
 
Under Driver Settings, your Edirol card should show up at the top of the window.  Your bit depth can be set to 16 and your sampling rate can be 44100 for now.  Look under mixing latency to see what your buffer size and mixing latency are.  On the system I'm using these happen to be 4 buffers in the playback queue and 90msecs Effective latency at 44.1k/stereo.  The slider should be set toward the left, but there are a few plugins that don't play nicely with extremely low settings.  Mine is just to the right of the word "fast," so very close to the left.  While on this page, if you've made any changes to these values, it's a good idea to click the Wave Profiler button.  Based on your audio card some settings will and some won't be supported; this is normal. Click Apply before going  forward.
 
Under playback/recording, there will be a variety of audio drivers to choose from.  Generally, the best (as you've heard) is the ASIO, but you have to go with one that your audio card supports.  WDM is the most universally compatible, but generally the lowest performance.  Click Apply.
 
Finally, look under audio for a screen called "Sync and Caching".  If it doesn't show, it's because you are only listing basic settings.  At the bottom of the preferences window, click Advanced and it will show up.  There probably aren't any problems with this page, but look at the bottom of the screen to see if Record Latency shows anything but the name of the driver you are using (ASIO?  WDM?) On some systems, it will show MME because that's used on Windows.  Verify that this manual offset is 0 as any other value will introduce delay.  Click Apply if you made any changes here.
 
Finally, before closing the preference dialog, go to playback and recording under MIDI.  I only suggest these changes because of the delay and distortion you've experienced.  Under playback, set Prepare Using to about 30% more than the effective latency number.  My effective latency was 90, so I set this value at 125, but your numbers might be different. Also clear the checkmark before Always Echo Current Midi Track.  It's possible you are double triggering; a problem that sometimes distorts the sound.  Click Apply.
 
Now, please tell me that it seems to be working.  If not, I'm pretty sure you have a Edirol driver compatibility problem (as was stated before) and working through the driver options at http://roland.com/support/article/?q=downloads&p=UA-4FX (Thanks Zargg71!) I don't know what Win OS you are using, but I'm guessing that the 8/8.1 version released 10/21/13 would be the right one.  Roland has not updated all of its drivers for Win 10.
 
Let me know how it goes.  I've been through these issues enough that I can really relate when I hear frustration in people's posts.
 
Rick
 
 
2016/01/25 12:54:06
musicmarkck
Hello. I have gone through the process step-by-step, and have achieved nothing. About 20 minutes ago, I thought I was succeeding: pressed a key on the Tyros and heard the corresponding MIDI voice in Sonar X1 (output to Edirol). But it was still arpeggiating (?). Looked at some settings... now I cannot get the Tyros to communicate withe Sonar at all. Even though it's all set up and the settings seem to be correct.
I would like to show you the screenshots, but when I go to attach an image (via this forum) a box appears telling me to choose one of the options below... but there are no options to choose from. So I cannot let you see what is happening. 
One thing: as I go through the Sonar settings, I cannot see the Wave Profiler. And under Audio / Driver Settings, the Mixing Latency adjustments are in grey, and I cannot change them (buffers in playback queue 2, buffer size fast).
I have been working on this since Friday! Time to admit defeat, methinks.
Thanks to all.
2016/01/25 12:57:56
musicmarkck
One other thing: the project is in the Normal template, and I have just spotted that my Tyros is sending signals to track 2, named MIDI. But not to the soft synths. Does this make sense to anyone???
 
2016/01/25 13:43:14
Zargg
This makes sense to me, as the Tyros is just sending MIDI. You will need a softsynth routed to the MIDI track the Tyros is communicating with.
All the best.
2016/01/25 15:26:34
musicmarkck
"You will need a softsynth routed to the MIDI track the Tyros is communicating with."
 
How do I do that?
2016/01/25 15:57:29
Zargg
Assuming that you you have inserted a SoftSynth (Vsti) on track 1 (right click, and choose insert SoftSynth), you choose the output on the MIDI track to correspond to your SS.

Hope it helps.'All the best.
2016/01/25 16:15:42
musicmarkck
May I ask: do you load the Normal template? I am confused: does Track 1 have to be a midi track itself? Also, I cannot emulate Right click, and choose insert SoftSynth. Where exactly do you right-click?
Sorry if I come across as clueless - but when it comes to midi, I am.
2016/01/25 17:03:46
Zargg
Sorry if this is badly explained. Open SONAR. Click Ctrl + N (you do not need to add a name) Insert an Audio track, and a MIDI track. In the fx bin of the Audio track, right click and choose insert (any available) SoftSynth. 
Then go to the MIDI track, and select your added SoftSynth as shown in post 26.
Best of luck.
2016/01/26 11:53:35
musicmarkck
I have done that, but there is no FX bin to click in. Wish I could post a screenshot to show you. Also, can this ultimately be achieved within an existing project... e.g. I am near completion of a demo and want to add something using MIDI.
Mark
 
 
 
2016/01/26 12:05:17
Zargg
If you hover your mouse over the left edge of a track, does it shift to a "double sided arrow"? If so left click, and drag to the right until fx bin is showing.
Also make sure all is checked 
All the best.
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