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  • Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? (p.16)
2015/08/21 21:52:49
jih64
Well it works for me, has done since '98, the first and only time I had the misfortune of a virus (was on a protected machine by the way). The 2 music PC's while technically connected to the net, only update stuff (Not Windows) have no virus, malware, whateverware installed or activated, no issues doing it this way for 17 years, they run trouble free and as fast as from one build to the next, never had a problem that was ever solved, or needed a Windows update to solve, not one that affected me or that I was aware of. Don't really have any PC issues, except for occasional  buggy software  type.
 
 The 3 machines that do frequent the net all have a certain level of protection, I feel quite safe, I don't download stuff from questionable sites, nor do I visit them, only reputable, and I know that is no guarantee, and there has been cases, but the only way to be 100% safe is to stay off the net and never install anything, not exactly conducive to enjoyment  
2015/08/21 21:59:59
Doktor Avalanche
Yup about time we got another Rap Pro service pack as was promised..
2015/08/22 14:31:22
Steev
 I wouldn’t consider Win 10’s improvements in native WDM based audio and MIDI drivers “bugs” per se, they just perform better with reduced buffer size and lower latency at “near” Pro Audio ASIO performance.
 These improvements, no final release as of yet only effect those using native WDM drivers, not ASIO.
 
  I have now upgraded 3 computers to Win 10 Pro and am ultimately pleased with the noticeable boost in performance and very surprising stability and built in support for such a new OS.
  I had also performed very successful OS roll backs to Win 7 Ultimate and 8.1Pro and back again on two of my machines before even considering upgrading my main whip workstation with excellent results.
 Even so, for an extra measure of security, I had “CLONED” and replaced my workstation’s WD VelociRaptor 10k rpm boot drive with a brand new one before upgrading from Win 7 Ultimate for a very quick and easy swap out just in case.
 I’m not saying that I would recommend upgrading as of yet for un tech savvy  users on their main computer as only one of my upgraded machines went 100% smoothly for full 3rd party driver support, and it did take roughly a week for all machines to update fully, be tested, smooth out,  generally notice improvements, and explore and understand new features.
 I experienced a few scary and annoying driver issues with older hardware that the installer passed, but didn’t function properly or at all, but all where straightened out with a little effort.
 
Number one issue was with nVidea graphics drivers on one of my machines. The best solution for this I would recommend is making sure your drivers are up to date before plunging in to an OS upgrade.
Number two and scariest issue was, although my ancient M-Audio 1010 with latest driver version 6.0.8 would run great with SONAR X3 Producer, Vegas Pro 11, and Sound Forge Pro 10, it wouldn’t stream audio from the Internet, and I’d get a report that all .mp3 and .wav files stored on my computer where all unsupported formats on all media players.
 I solved this problem by opening the M-Audio control panel, click on “Hardware” tab and setting the default sample rate from the installer’s choice of 96k/HZ to 48k/Hz, and setting ASIO/WDM buffer size to 256 samples and “SAVED” it as a user config.
 For some reason, if it’s not saved in the Delta 1010 control panel, next time SONAR runs (if set to 24/96 default for all new projects)it would default the 1010’s hardware setting back to 96k/Hz.
 Also I would get an error report if I set the 1010 to 44.1k/Hz.
 
 Third and last issue was my old PCR-500 MIDI Keyboard Controller.
  Once again, I’d like to thank Amitte here in the Cakewalk Forums for the driver solution for bring my Roland/Edirol PCR 500 to life in Win 10.
 
 All that being said, I’m now VERY HAPPY with Win 10 all across the board, I believe due to Win 10’s newer and universal API structure to support all devices from desktops to handheld gadgets, supports much more efficient and  smaller footprint on system resources than Win 7.
 
 Both SONAR X3 Producer and Platinum have noticeably better load balancing across all cores, better memory management, and significantly faster file rendering and storage management that Win 7.
 
HUGE performance boost with Sony Vegas Pro 11! “WOWZER” comes to mind. I can now run more and hard hitting processing intensive video plug ins with much smoother video monitoring set to highest playback setting and still be able to render projects in a seriously snappy fashion.
 Win 10 has clearly turned my AMD FirePro v5900 into a killa piece. :o)
 
 Anyhoo, I really hope sharing my experiences helps.
 
 Yeah, all computers are different and nothing here guarantees your experience will be the same, but I feel very confident that this is the best, smoothest, and easiest upgrade since Win 2000, and I for one am a very happy believer. :o)))
2015/08/22 15:36:15
Vilovilo
Hi,I'm an old man and in no way a computer expert but why upgrade? Just to stay in the loop and from where I am and until now,everything went smoothly,
as it have been said somewhere ,old Layla 3 G drivers where recognised at once and old M Audio prokeys sono works at least as well as with Win7 if it ain't better,even a hardware reverb which is not anymore supported by the brand works smoothly,just had to register XLN addictive drums but even with a connexion where one giga means six hours,it took fifteen minutes.
Just to say that from my point of view ,one can have a look to this upgrade.
2015/08/22 16:54:31
bapu
So, what's the score at this point?
 
Win7 = 10
Win10=11
 
?
2015/08/22 18:36:04
jih64
Steev
 
  Number two and scariest issue was, although my ancient M-Audio 1010 with latest driver version 6.0.8 would run great with SONAR X3 Producer, Vegas Pro 11, and Sound Forge Pro 10, it wouldn’t stream audio from the Internet, and I’d get a report that all .mp3 and .wav files stored on my computer where all unsupported formats on all media players.
 I solved this problem by opening the M-Audio control panel, click on “Hardware” tab and setting the default sample rate from the installer’s choice of 96k/HZ to 48k/Hz, and setting ASIO/WDM buffer size to 256 samples and “SAVED” it as a user config.
 For some reason, if it’s not saved in the Delta 1010 control panel, next time SONAR runs (if set to 24/96 default for all new projects)it would default the 1010’s hardware setting back to 96k/Hz.
 Also I would get an error report if I set the 1010 to 44.1k/Hz.
 



(Don't know how this will go, the forum is all messed up, like all over the place, like just text without formatting, looks hideous (there's irony for ya) same in both Firefox and IE, anyway here I go)
 
Hi steev,
            Interesting to read your comments about the delta 1010, I found another person on the REAPER forums yesterday who had success with the 1010 and Windows 10, he reports no issues what so ever using the final 6.0.8 driver, most others I speak to claim it a no go, they also claimed that for Win 8 (which I bypassed altogether) Have you just done the in place upgrade, or have you gone on to do a clean install ?
I might clone the system drive on one of my music PC's to a new identical drive, then swap out the original system drive and try an in place upgrade to Windows 10 to see first hand what the go is, that way I still have the original drive untouched by Windows 10 vile hand. Don't think I will make it a permanent thing though, even if all goes well for the 1010 until there is a way to make Windows 10 less nauseous
2015/08/23 09:21:39
jih64
Well after reading that the Delta 1010 was a no for a lot of people in Windows 10 and 8 for that matter, then reading that a few people said it worked on Windows 10, and again 8 for that matter, and an official from M-audio saying it might possibly work but he wouldn't risk it, I decided to find out for myself. So I cloned the C drive on one of my Music PC's (identical to the one in my sig) to a new identical hard drive, swapped out the original, all good, hit the Windows 10 upgrade, just like on my other 3 systems I done, it went as smooth as silk. What do you know, my beloved Delta 1010 seems to work like a dream, so far so good, some issues with some plugins needing to be re authorized etc, but the majority are fine, I'll leave the ones that want to be re authorized until I put Windows 10 through a bit more testing. As with the other 3 machines I done everything else seems to work fine.
 
It's just that blinding white everything . . . snowblind . . . I hate it, no distinction between various parts, no colour, sharp edges, bland blinding white nothingness, it's hideous. But I will see if there is any way to make it so I can look at it without having my eye's melt, I looked before but found nothing acceptable, otherwise it will be roll back number 4. At least I know first hand that the Delta 1010 works fine.
2015/08/23 09:29:45
John
Thats good news Jeff. 
2015/08/23 09:35:05
Steev
Hey Jeff,
All my upgrade/installs were done by upgrading existing setups, OS, apps, and configurations using a downloaded copy of Win 10 installed from an .ISO file on my hard drive second from a DVD, and 3rd from USB 3 flash drive made by using the Windows Media Creation Tool.
 Yes it does take longer manually downloading the OS and creating media, but I’m one of those “Old Schoolers” who believes it’s vitally important to have a physical copy of all software on hand in case something goes wrong, and easy access for installing new system builds.
 
 All upgrades including the preinstall search for current updates (which took less than an hour), roll backs (about 15 minutes), and reinstalls were successful.
 Win 10 keeps a perfect image file of your original OS in an “Old Windows” folder for 30 days for those who decide to roll back.
 Reinstallations took less time than the original upgrade as all updates were kept in the Win 10 folder and I was greeted with a “Welcome Back” window taking over updating process where the earlier install left off.
 
I think it’s also very much worth mentioning for those manually downloading Win 10 to make sure you CAREFULLY take note and NOTICE the web address hasn’t been redirected away from MICROSOFT.
“DO NOT DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL THE MEDIA CREATION TOOL AND WIN 10 FROM ANY WEBSITE OTHER THAN MICROSOFT!”
 There has already been “Ransomware” versions released, and once this poison gets in your system, you WILL have to pay the ransom to unlock your OS and wonder if they even get it all out.
 Ummm, maybe??? That a horrific place to be in..
 
2015/08/23 15:55:37
konradh
I cannot confirm, but I have read here and in the hardware forum that the VS-700 console may not have the full feature set under Win 10.  If that turns out to be true, that is an incentive for me to say on 7.
 
I am not panicking yet because I don't have all the facts.
 
One interesting note:  A Cakewalk/Gibson employee we all know and love says most strange, hard-to-diagnose issues he sees are interactions with Windows more than Cakewalk bugs.  That matches my experience.  I have had a lot of isses others don't have and they all seem to trace back to faulty system set-up.
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