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2015/08/23 17:45:31
John
I wouldn't upgrade either if I couldn't have my gear work with it. I think this is sound common sense. 
 
What I understand is Win 10 does a good job of using older drivers as long as they are written in a way that wouldn't prevent them from loading or installing due to polling the OS for its version. I believe this is a problem with some Roland drivers.
 
I recall when I upgraded FXpansion's BFD2 on Vista it would not install on a 64 bit system. I found a work around for it but it was a restriction imposed by FXpansion not Microsoft.
 
I'm not sure why some developers do this or make it hard to move to a new OS for no good reason. 
2015/08/23 19:06:47
BobF
bapu
So, what's the score at this point?
 
Win7 = 10
Win10=11
 
?




Win8.1 = 1
 
I get why it's wise to eventually upgrade.  The thing I don't understand is why it is so darn compelling for folks to upgrade right f-in NOW.  
 
I WILL eventually upgrade to WinX, but it will be a Pro edition with new hardware when the time for new hardware comes.  Drivers and other little niggles should be worked out really well by then.
 
If a single key-stroke changes in a Sonar release, this place goes bonkers and people are STILL willing to risk varying degrees of ACU (Apple Cart Upset) to get on WinX. 
 
What is the near-term gain that makes people get in a hurry?  Seriously, I'm not judging, I want to know what works sooooooo much better with 10 than 7 or 8 that makes the risk worth taking?
2015/08/23 19:18:29
Doktor Avalanche
BobF
I get why it's wise to eventually upgrade.  The thing I don't understand is why it is so darn compelling for folks to upgrade right f-in NOW.  
 
I WILL eventually upgrade to WinX, but it will be a Pro edition with new hardware when the time for new hardware comes.  Drivers and other little niggles should be worked out really well by then.
 
If a single key-stroke changes in a Sonar release, this place goes bonkers and people are STILL willing to risk varying degrees of ACU (Apple Cart Upset) to get on WinX. 
 
What is the near-term gain that makes people get in a hurry?  Seriously, I'm not judging, I want to know what works sooooooo much better with 10 than 7 or 8 that makes the risk worth taking?



Agree. You have 11 months. I guess a lot of people get excited about OS updates.
I remember when people queued around the block to get Windows 95 (whilst the rest of us laughed who were using the beta versions).
I used to get excited about OS upgrades, but these days there isn't that much to get excited about about once you've cut through the marketing message..
2015/08/23 20:19:07
John
BobF
bapu
So, what's the score at this point?
 
Win7 = 10
Win10=11
 
?




Win8.1 = 1
 
I get why it's wise to eventually upgrade.  The thing I don't understand is why it is so darn compelling for folks to upgrade right f-in NOW.  
 
I WILL eventually upgrade to WinX, but it will be a Pro edition with new hardware when the time for new hardware comes.  Drivers and other little niggles should be worked out really well by then.
 
If a single key-stroke changes in a Sonar release, this place goes bonkers and people are STILL willing to risk varying degrees of ACU (Apple Cart Upset) to get on WinX. 
 
What is the near-term gain that makes people get in a hurry?  Seriously, I'm not judging, I want to know what works sooooooo much better with 10 than 7 or 8 that makes the risk worth taking?


Bob you are asking some good questions. For me I have always been an early adopter when it was feasible for me to be one. I don't deal much in beta software but I will if I can isolate it and test it. 
 
I have watched MS advance greatly in delivering working OSs for some time now. With XP MS seem to get it right as far as an OS that was very stable. This has been true for all of the releases since then. Vista worked out of the box for me with no problems. The same for 8 and 8.1. I tested Windows 10 before it was released and found it downright solid. I like the elimination of the distinction between apps and programs.  A major upgrade to me.  Windows 10 seems more compact yet provides everything Win 8.1 did only better.  Its installed on all of my computers. BTW Noel has a blog about Windows 10 that will explain many of its features for audio and MIDI. 
 
Another thing which is part of my personality is I like to learn new things. It stimulates me.  Gets the mind working. Not everyone has the same view. Many prefer to wait and see and then test the water. Or upgrade when they have to. 
 
I guess the way Sonar 2015 is setup is ideal for someone like me. Something to look forward to. To sink my teeth into and progress a little. With Windows 10 its more of the same sort of thing.
 
I'm not going to hold others to this way of thinking. Everyone has a right to their own comfort zone.  For me it is a great time in cyberspace.  
 
 
2015/08/23 20:47:30
Shreddi
Does anyone know if win 10 is more efficient?  Does Sonar/Cakewalk all versions work with win 10 or is that there next scheme to suck more money out of us.  Not supporting older versions?  I am looking for a new DAW.  I used Cakewalk Producer for ever, Every upgrade and now they come out with platinum and an excuse to charge again.  Any suggestions for alternative?  thanks.
 
2015/08/23 20:56:47
John T
BobF
 
I get why it's wise to eventually upgrade.  The thing I don't understand is why it is so darn compelling for folks to upgrade right f-in NOW.  
 
...
 
If a single key-stroke changes in a Sonar release, this place goes bonkers and people are STILL willing to risk varying degrees of ACU (Apple Cart Upset) to get on WinX. 
 



Oh, I would bet strongly that the people who go bonkers about small changes to Sonar, and the Windows 10 early adopters are entirely separate groups. And that's totally fine, of course.
 
As to your main question, I don't think it's compelling at all. Some people are interested and curious about it, that's all.
 
 
2015/08/23 21:02:22
jih64
Shreddi
Does anyone know if win 10 is more efficient?  Does Sonar/Cakewalk all versions work with win 10 or is that there next scheme to suck more money out of us.  Not supporting older versions?  I am looking for a new DAW.  I used Cakewalk Producer for ever, Every upgrade and now they come out with platinum and an excuse to charge again.  Any suggestions for alternative?  thanks.
 

 
 
There are plenty of alternatives, but sometimes that's all they end up as, alternatives, although if you are use to Sonar, that might be a good place to stay. The upgrade to Platinum/Producer or Artist, Platinum for me, is well worth every cent. As for Windows 10, I didn't really notice all that much more efficiency/speed etc on my 2 laptops and test machine, although on 1 of my main DAW machines that I just upgraded to test I can notice an improvement. Windows 10 seems to handle older hardware much better than it's predecessors, not sure about software, but all my stuff seems to work fine. According to all the blurb from those who should know, Windows 10 is an improvement all round, so . . . If I can get past the issue I have with it, purely aesthetic, I'll be jumping onboard.
2015/08/23 21:09:48
Doktor Avalanche
Shreddi
Does anyone know if win 10 is more efficient?  Does Sonar/Cakewalk all versions work with win 10 or is that there next scheme to suck more money out of us.  Not supporting older versions?  I am looking for a new DAW.  I used Cakewalk Producer for ever, Every upgrade and now they come out with platinum and an excuse to charge again.  Any suggestions for alternative?  thanks.
 

 
Suggest you read this:
http://static.cakewalk.com/cakewalk/products/sonar/release_notes/Welcome_to_the_SONAR_Gloucester_update.pdf
 
Sonar runs on Win 7 and above, I don't expect it to change any time soon. Upgrade to Win10 (for free) and you will get longer support. If you are running earlier versions of windows (before 7) not even MS is supporting them, so it seems entirely reasonable that Cakewalk isn't either.
 
I don't subscribe to the idea that somehow it's an excuse and sucking money out of us. If you don't need it or want it then don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you. Cakewalk isn't a charity either.
 
Cheers..
2015/08/23 21:12:13
John
Shreddi
Does anyone know if win 10 is more efficient?  Does Sonar/Cakewalk all versions work with win 10 or is that there next scheme to suck more money out of us.  Not supporting older versions?  I am looking for a new DAW.  I used Cakewalk Producer for ever, Every upgrade and now they come out with platinum and an excuse to charge again.  Any suggestions for alternative?  thanks.
 


Wow what a downer of a post. I'm not sure what you mean about them having an excuse to charge more? CW has to make money to stay in business. As far as I know all recent versions of Sonar work in Windows 10.  Unless you have evidence to the contrary and the fact you claim to have all versions of Sonar you shouldn't have any problem finding one that will run.
 
If its too big an amount for you you can go for the monthly pay plan if you like.  This is not the place to elicit recommendations for other DAWs. Its rather insulting to say the least.  
2015/08/23 21:48:05
hockeyjx
My guess is that Cakewalk will support Windows 7 at least through 2016. Windows 8 was a bust, and thus, not that many users on it. Many people won't adopt a new platform until their hardware is shot. Many DAW users won't switch if they have to buy new, compatible gear. I am sure Cakewalk has projections on these numbers and has worked that in to their business plan.
 
I don't care if Win 10 is free now, I will stand pat on what I have until there is a practical(for me) reason to upgrade.
 
 
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