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2015/08/25 03:37:45
kennywtelejazz
kevinwal
I'm on build 10525 which provides a look at some color customization abilities, so hang tight, it's coming to an update near you.
 

 
 

 
When you say hang tight are you talking about the upgrade only ? or are you also giving the folks in the middle of your desktop picture a pep talk on how to climb  
 
 
Kenny
 
2015/08/25 11:27:28
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
During the past two years I have replaced or upgraded 20+ computers for clients, to 8 and then 8.1, and then 8.1.1.
 
None of these clients will be installing 10 for at least a year. More likely 2 to 5 years, when they think 10 has matured.  And they may need to add computers. Or replaced broken.
 
Why? Because they are businesses and they do not want to incur the costs of an upgrade process if they can avoid it.
 
These are businesses: No face book, amazon readers, store games, live tiles,....   None of that stuff.
 
I configure all 8 computers to avoid the START WALL stupidity. All files are opened with desktop applications not metro/modern apps.
 
I replaced XP, and Vista based computers. The 7 based computers were upgraded because the client thinks having the latest stuff will attract the type of employees he is interested in. It does not seem to have done so. And a couple of the 8.1 problems (eg dropping wireless connections) have been more than annoying.
 
The main reason 8 got pooped on was it was not ready. The MS dudes should have NOT thought the 1,000,000,000 desktop computers on the planet would be suddenly replaced with small touchscreen tablets. That was, and still is, a way stupid idea. They should have waited another couple of years, introducing new features with 7 and then released an 8 similar to 10.
 
I have clients that are using 7 and want to move to 8 (8.1.1) now because it is mature, but are not interested in 10, which they think needs to age for a couple of years. Especially with the auto-update problems. They cannot afford computers that are stuck in endless loops, or with monitors that will not display.
 
And the invasiveness of using an MS account, Hotmail, Skype, and Cortana: all of which automatically track location and as MS has stated, in the EULA, will provide data that WILL be indexed and searched at the discretion of the Overlords at MS. And will be subject to any NSA requests.
 
Popularity is not a measure of success. Number of items sold does not measure success.
 
This thinking is reflective of the iIdiocy propagated by the iMorons at iApple, that has resulted in mobs of stupid people lining up to pay initial retail, for something that does not matter, is often disruptive, and costs time and effort, reducing efficiency and effectiveness.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2015/08/25 12:43:41
kevinwal
michael diemer
Advertisers will also be glad you like cortana, because she's going to spread everything you do on your computer all over the internet.


Aren't you just a little ray of sunshine!
2015/08/25 13:58:45
michael diemer
For those who don't wish to upgrade to Windows 10, you need to stop Microsoft from "preparing" your computer for W10 against your will. It does this with sneaky updates, even if you have removed the "Get Windows 10" applet from your computer. This thread will tell you which updates to uninstall and prevent from installing:
 
http://www.sevenforums.co...ws-10-app-your-pc.html
2015/08/25 14:50:19
Doktor Avalanche
michael diemer
For those who don't wish to upgrade to Windows 10, you need to stop Microsoft from "preparing" your computer for W10 against your will. It does this with sneaky updates, even if you have removed the "Get Windows 10" applet from your computer. This thread will tell you which updates to uninstall and prevent from installing:
 
http://www.sevenforums.co...ws-10-app-your-pc.html


You need to opt in first. Not exactly sneaky. Still the applet is a PITA nag marketing. Best to remove it and download the windows 10 media when you need it.
2015/08/25 14:53:26
kevinwal
The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
To Enthusiasts, a new feature or a subtly wrought change to an existing capability is almost like a personal message from a software developer that says, "See how clever? See how elegant?" It's an appreciation of intellect, like a good story or a well-told joke, and provides more than sufficient motivation for the Enthusiast to adopt new technology long before more cautious users would consider such a move prudent. The Enthusiast is fully aware of the privacy considerations and the mandated update controversy and simply doesn't care.
 
These other users are more utilitarian in nature, and consider technology simply as a means to an end. Perhaps they run a business that depends upon a well-understood workflow with a stable infrastructure. Or perhaps they are by nature uninterested in the technological stories embraced by Enthusiasts. Whether or not they run a business, since they share the same mentality about technology, let's call them Businessmen.
 
Businessmen dread new software releases and question the value of every subtle deviation from the status quo and see these deviations, often correctly, as threats to their productivity. Sometimes Businessmen are simply not comfortable with technology in general, but often they are and are simply impatient with anything that impedes the accomplishment of The Mission (whatever that may be.) Pragmatism is the rule of the day for Businessmen. The privacy and updating issues are examined in the light of value received, and if the system provides enough value, these kinds of conditions are generally acceptable even if they are not terribly welcome.
 
To complete my gross over-simplification of the complex panoply of humanity that is the computer-using community, let's finally consider the Religionist. The Religionist views technology through an obscuring ideological haze that subtly alters the nature of reality. To the Religionist, the motive behind the production of technology is much more important than the actual technology.
 
Faced with an offering produced by talented engineers designed to delight their customers, they see an evil corporate plot cunningly crafted with the intent to enslave and deprive the masses of their... um, well, their whatever. Legitimate commerce is always seen as exploitation and enslavement, and the idea of consumer choice is considered a laughable charade to confuse the masses. This perspective is unassailable by any means currently known to man, however, it never prevents the Religionist from acquiring the latest technology, which they then commence complain about exhaustively. Religionists can often be recognized by the presence of a largely unused Linux distribution on a separate boot partition.
 
So, to the point of the thread, Why upgrade to Windows 10?
 
If you're an Enthusiast, the mere presence of Windows 10 is answer enough. You know what to do.
If you're a Businessman, the answer is, you probably shouldn't right now.
If you're a Religionist, the answer is to consider changing your medication.
 
Carry on.
 
 
2015/08/25 14:55:40
Doktor Avalanche
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
None of these clients will be installing 10 for at least a year. More likely 2 to 5 years, when they think 10 has matured.  And they may need to add computers. Or replaced broken.
 
Why? Because they are businesses and they do not want to incur the costs of an upgrade process if they can avoid it.


Over a year? They've lost the price of ten operating systems before they bat an eyelid unless they are on select or something. 11 months is easily enough for Win10 to mature IMHO.
2015/08/25 14:58:54
kevinwal
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
And the invasiveness of using an MS account, Hotmail, Skype, and Cortana: all of which automatically track location and as MS has stated, in the EULA, will provide data that WILL be indexed and searched at the discretion of the Overlords at MS. And will be subject to any NSA requests.
 
Popularity is not a measure of success. Number of items sold does not measure success.
 
This thinking is reflective of the iIdiocy propagated by the iMorons at iApple, that has resulted in mobs of stupid people lining up to pay initial retail, for something that does not matter, is often disruptive, and costs time and effort, reducing efficiency and effectiveness.



I should have expanded the categories in my previous post to include the Bitter IT Professional. 
2015/08/25 15:01:07
Doktor Avalanche
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
Popularity is not a measure of success. Number of items sold does not measure success.


What is it then? :)
2015/08/25 15:02:44
kevinwal
Doktor Avalanche
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
Popularity is not a measure of success. Number of items sold does not measure success.


What is it then? :)

Crap, you beat me to it.
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