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  • Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? (p.24)
2015/08/25 18:36:44
John T
And of course, there are niggles, some substantial, some fairly frivolous, but it's amazing what can annoy you in the environment you work in all day. For myself, imma lose my mind if they don't make window title bars transparent soon, and that doesn't even matter for anything.
 
2015/08/26 04:27:15
kennywtelejazz
I'm certainly enjoying a lot of the fictional content of this thread .
 
 
never mind 
2015/08/26 05:01:24
synkrotron
If I put out of my mind all that invasion of privacy and "big brother" stuff, I'm finding Windows 10 to be okay. In fact, I quite like it. I also thought that W7 and W8 was okay too. I loved XP at the time. But I never liked Vista for some reason...
 
Are the mods on holiday?
2015/08/26 05:48:19
Tom Riggs
jih64
I upgraded 2 laptops and a test Desktop from Windows 7 to Windows 10, they are all back on Windows 7. I just don't like it at all. the looks are enough to make me make the switch back, hideous. Someone up top said that it looked or was more like Windows 7, well it ain't like no Windows 7 I have ever known. I didn't let it near my 2 music PC's, but I guess the time will come down the track away, where the choice will have to be made, I am happy to wait until that time when software or hardware requirements make the change necessary, but until then I am very happy with a rock solid, blazing fast Windows 7 (never really noticed any 'noticeable' speed up with Win 10 in any area)
 
One thing I will say though, is that the installation of Windows 10 went as smooth as, everything seemed to work fine, only the new Windows Edge browser seemed a little flaky, especially with these forums. The roll back to Windows 7 was also as smooth as, with zero issues since on all 3 systems. 
 
 
My beloved M-Audio Delta 1010 sound cards, of which I have 5 would most likely not work under Windows 10 anyway, there wasn't much luck under Win 8, and no hope for new drivers, and I don't really want to move on from them, certainly not to a USB/fire-wire alternative, and having 5 of them it will take some time for natural attrition to thin the herd, no doubt when that time comes I will kick myself for not moving on much sooner, but . . . they serve me well.
 
When the time comes to move on from Windows 7, I will be giving the Mac a serious look even if it means ditching Sonar, my other fav DAW, REAPER works fine on Mac, and I really do dislike Windows 10, even more than I do Apple. Hideous.
 
For my money, if you are happy with Windows 7, and it's working for you, stay put, by all means have a look at Windows 10 on another machine or whatever, then if you like it, that's up to you, but don't dive in head first with your main DAW machine, you may regret that :)




Your delta card will work on window 10. I have my old daw testing that with my old delta 66. Just install the newest drivers in compatibility mode for windows 8. You are correct the look is not completely like windows 7 the color schemes are different. The start button is there but behaves very differently. After messing with is a bit I have figured out how to configure the visible programs.
 
However the show all programs selection is crappy from my point of view because they are no longer sorted by the folders in the start menu everything is just alphabetic.
 
I still have not upgraded my main daw and will probably wait a while longer for that.
2015/08/26 05:58:35
jih64
Hi, yes I have already cloned the System drive on one of  DAW PC's, then swapped out the drive and done the Windows 10 upgrade to test, and been running it for a few days now after reading a couple of reports of the 1010's working ok. The 1010's are fine, no problems at all. I'm going to keep testing it out as much as I can between now and over the weekend, but I'm sure everything will be fine, then I will most likely upgrade my other Main DAW PC. I have already put my 2 laptops and test PC back on Windows 10 after satisfactorily solving the issue I had with Windows 10 aesthetics. I'm actually quite liking it and enjoying it know that I can look at it 
2015/08/26 06:19:27
John
synkrotron
If I put out of my mind all that invasion of privacy and "big brother" stuff, I'm finding Windows 10 to be okay. In fact, I quite like it. I also thought that W7 and W8 was okay too. I loved XP at the time. But I never liked Vista for some reason...
 
Are the mods on holiday?


Do you have a complaint?
2015/08/26 06:48:41
mettelus
I will probably switch when I reach the point that I stopped riding a horse into town. Lack of hitching posts and getting fined for my DAW crapping on the sidewalk.

"Big Brother" is more of a negative connotation, but in the vein of equal opportunity, "Big Caitlyn" would be kinda catchy. Would be rather fearsome to know "Big Caitlyn is watching you [insert vantage point here]."
2015/08/26 07:42:49
Susan G
I like Win 10 so far. The upgrade went very smoothly for me. I didn't like Metro one bit, but I like the Win 10 hybrid Start menu, which you can customize easily to be more like Win 7 or 8.1 or a combination. It's got some nice GUI touches, like the way it shows active apps on the taskbar, and it does boot a bit faster for me. All my hardware works fine. I did have to rescan plugins and of course I had to alert SONAR to the changes, since it didn't retain my device settings.
 
-Susan
2015/08/26 08:09:42
Steev
All this Big Bro fear mongering is quite amusing. OK so the big news today is AT&T was more than willing to help the NSA spy on us, but there is nothing to support MS was with them, quite the contrary as far as I can see.
 I truly believe all data W10 collects and sends back to the "Mothership" is for the proposes of improving W10 to work on such a wide variety of system configurations, and not to track our location and kill us.
 In fact they have done some EXCELLENT forward thinking work in improving lower latency and smaller buffering specifically designed to improve WDM audio and MIDI drivers to near ASIO latency in W10.
 That alone should be a good incentive to switch from W7 to W10, and I for one have been enjoying the experience of a more snappy and smoother work flow, even though I use and prefer ASIO drivers specifically designed for my audio interfaces. W10 has also improved upon "NOTICABLY" better CPU, memory, and storage control.
 I still have my Cloned WD VelociRaptor loaded and read to go with W7, but I fell confident within a month or so, it'll be reformatted and fitted into a USB 3 external housing for 10K rpm zoom ,ZOOM, ZOOM portability. :o)
 
 I'm also pleased to announce that I've dug out my old MIDI SPORT 8x8 and the version 6.1.3 drivers (released 12/1/14) installed correctly and it's up and running perfectly.
2015/08/26 10:15:24
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
 
A good reference for increasing privacy: (Do not use an MS account to log in to YOUR computer.) http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/08/windows_10_privacy_problems_here_s_how_bad_they_are_and_how_to_plug_them.1.html
 
 
From the EULA and privacy policy:
 
“Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage.”
 
“We may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility” and “use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing.”
 
“If you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes any use [of]it for purposes such as improving performance, or [if you]enter text, we may collect typed characters, we may collect typed characters and use them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spell check features.”
 
"Sometimes you’ll need software updates to keep using the Services. We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services. Such updates are subject to these Terms unless other terms accompany the updates, in which case, those other terms apply. Microsoft isn’t obligated to make any updates available and we don’t guarantee that we will support the version of the system for which you licensed the software."
 
 
"Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to:
1. comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies;
2. protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone;
3. operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or
4. protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services - however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer's private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement."
 
(I think transparent title bars just increase clutter and thereby reduce efficiency.)
 
 
 
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