So the upshot is, do not use Windows 10 if:
 
1. You do not want Microsoft to improve the performance and function of the operating system and its associated cloud-based services.
2. You do not want Microsoft insure that the services you elect to use continue to operate as expected.
3. You do not want Microsoft to improve the quality of voice recognition and auto-completion capabilities.
4. You want Microsoft to flaunt the law and face legal jeopardy.
5. You want Microsoft to allow criminals and perverts unreported and unfettered to the services they provide.
 
Notice that there is nothing in the privacy policy that indicates that Microsoft will sell your data or share it with selected partners to offer you compelling products and services that you may find interesting.

LaszloZoltan
I read a lot of "it's faster" - really ? how many seconds are we talking about ? faster boot ? ok, how many times per day do I boot ? am I really willing to put at stake everything I use for the sake of a few ...seconds ? I am not working some sweatshop assembly line where I have to crank out 200 pieces per hour or be taken out back with a bullet - I like a moment to contemplate things please.
 
just my 2 cents

When I first upgraded it seemed to be slower but after a couple of reboots it got faster somehow. The last time I 'timed' it (I don't remember the exact seconds but). On this laptop (specs below) I can go from power off to an open, working project in Platinum in a little less than 3 minutes. Windows 7 64 was slower by a good bit but I never timed it. The VST search thingy stays up a bit longer but the VSTs are there and I can in less than 3 minutes from a cold start be adding an instrument to a tack and have the GUI open. That works for me.
 
My only concern with putting W-10 on my DAW is that I currently am not online all the time and when I am it is to check CCC or third party sites for updates. I'm using an ASUS USB adapter right now to access my WIFI. Soon I will have it moved so I can use an Ethernet cable but I still may not keep it online all the time... so
My worry is that if I go online after a week or a month, how long is W-10 updates, that I cannot control, take to do their thing? That worries me. It seems fine on my laptop and right now I am trying to let it automatically do any update it wants to do and it's working fine.
I stopped worrying about security a few years ago, nothing is secure online. If they come get me... I'll be here.
 
J
 

komposer

michael diemer

kevinwal
The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
To Enthusiasts, a new feature or a subtly wrought change to an existing capability is almost like a personal message from a software developer that says, "See how clever? See how elegant?" It's an appreciation of intellect, like a good story or a well-told joke, and provides more than sufficient motivation for the Enthusiast to adopt new technology long before more cautious users would consider such a move prudent. The Enthusiast is fully aware of the privacy considerations and the mandated update controversy and simply doesn't care.
 
These other users are more utilitarian in nature, and consider technology simply as a means to an end. Perhaps they run a business that depends upon a well-understood workflow with a stable infrastructure. Or perhaps they are by nature uninterested in the technological stories embraced by Enthusiasts. Whether or not they run a business, since they share the same mentality about technology, let's call them Businessmen.
 
Businessmen dread new software releases and question the value of every subtle deviation from the status quo and see these deviations, often correctly, as threats to their productivity. Sometimes Businessmen are simply not comfortable with technology in general, but often they are and are simply impatient with anything that impedes the accomplishment of The Mission (whatever that may be.) Pragmatism is the rule of the day for Businessmen. The privacy and updating issues are examined in the light of value received, and if the system provides enough value, these kinds of conditions are generally acceptable even if they are not terribly welcome.
 
To complete my gross over-simplification of the complex panoply of humanity that is the computer-using community, let's finally consider the Religionist. The Religionist views technology through an obscuring ideological haze that subtly alters the nature of reality. To the Religionist, the motive behind the production of technology is much more important than the actual technology.
 
Faced with an offering produced by talented engineers designed to delight their customers, they see an evil corporate plot cunningly crafted with the intent to enslave and deprive the masses of their... um, well, their whatever. Legitimate commerce is always seen as exploitation and enslavement, and the idea of consumer choice is considered a laughable charade to confuse the masses. This perspective is unassailable by any means currently known to man, however, it never prevents the Religionist from acquiring the latest technology, which they then commence complain about exhaustively. Religionists can often be recognized by the presence of a largely unused Linux distribution on a separate boot partition.
 
So, to the point of the thread, Why upgrade to Windows 10?
 
If you're an Enthusiast, the mere presence of Windows 10 is answer enough. You know what to do.
If you're a Businessman, the answer is, you probably shouldn't right now.
If you're a Religionist, the answer is to consider changing your medication.
 
Carry on.
 
 

What a load of insulting crap.

Insulted because you are in one of his fictional groups or left out?
Best post on this forum in a long time. Very well written.

Here's why it's insulting: He disagrees with my point of view, and rather than accept my right to my point of view, he has to create these artificial categories, so that anyone who disagrees with him can neatly be put into whichever category he "belongs." This is clearly an attempt to marginalize and even ridicule people who may present controversial viewpoints, and is therefore disrespectful, and, indeed, insulting. I'm surprised the moderator missed this.

michael diemer
Unfortunately, it's not just advertisers that cortana will be sharing your keystrokes with. there's also the intelligence-gathering agencies. Heck, the entire Military-Industrial complex will be keeping files on you. But hey, no worries, you’ll be doing your part to empower Big Business, Big Brother, etc. Once upon a time, using Microsoft products empowered the user. A different story now. Don't kid yourself.

In the 1960s, when I was a teenager I was into "shortwave radio" SWL. I routinely received packages from Peking, Moscow, Albania, Prague, East Germany, and even got issues of Pravda, in Russian (which I couldn't read). I'm sure with the political climate in the late 60s that they had a file on me but nothing ever came of it. You can either go completely off the grid or you will be watched... and even then there is facial recognition software and cameras everywhere, plate readers and unless your car has points, plugs, and a carburetor... someone is likely tracking it if they want to. The police are steps away from a device that will point, shoot, and kill the computer in your car and stop you.
I would not worry about it because there really isn't anything you can do about it except think you've done something and likely draw undue attention to yourself by appearing to trying to hide something.
The worst that is going to happen is the creepiness of having everything you take a look at on Sweetwater or Amazon show up in ads on other sites you look at.

Another issue for bandwidth consumption is that not all people have unlimited data usage plans. An OS blindly consuming bandwidth is a bit presumptuous (and they won't pay for folks going over data allowances). I have noticed increasingly worse internet throughput in the past 10 days, but can only speculate as to root cause (I am not on Win10).

michael diemer

komposer

michael diemer

kevinwal
The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
To Enthusiasts, a new feature or a subtly wrought change to an existing capability is almost like a personal message from a software developer that says, "See how clever? See how elegant?" It's an appreciation of intellect, like a good story or a well-told joke, and provides more than sufficient motivation for the Enthusiast to adopt new technology long before more cautious users would consider such a move prudent. The Enthusiast is fully aware of the privacy considerations and the mandated update controversy and simply doesn't care.
 
These other users are more utilitarian in nature, and consider technology simply as a means to an end. Perhaps they run a business that depends upon a well-understood workflow with a stable infrastructure. Or perhaps they are by nature uninterested in the technological stories embraced by Enthusiasts. Whether or not they run a business, since they share the same mentality about technology, let's call them Businessmen.
 
Businessmen dread new software releases and question the value of every subtle deviation from the status quo and see these deviations, often correctly, as threats to their productivity. Sometimes Businessmen are simply not comfortable with technology in general, but often they are and are simply impatient with anything that impedes the accomplishment of The Mission (whatever that may be.) Pragmatism is the rule of the day for Businessmen. The privacy and updating issues are examined in the light of value received, and if the system provides enough value, these kinds of conditions are generally acceptable even if they are not terribly welcome.
 
To complete my gross over-simplification of the complex panoply of humanity that is the computer-using community, let's finally consider the Religionist. The Religionist views technology through an obscuring ideological haze that subtly alters the nature of reality. To the Religionist, the motive behind the production of technology is much more important than the actual technology.
 
Faced with an offering produced by talented engineers designed to delight their customers, they see an evil corporate plot cunningly crafted with the intent to enslave and deprive the masses of their... um, well, their whatever. Legitimate commerce is always seen as exploitation and enslavement, and the idea of consumer choice is considered a laughable charade to confuse the masses. This perspective is unassailable by any means currently known to man, however, it never prevents the Religionist from acquiring the latest technology, which they then commence complain about exhaustively. Religionists can often be recognized by the presence of a largely unused Linux distribution on a separate boot partition.
 
So, to the point of the thread, Why upgrade to Windows 10?
 
If you're an Enthusiast, the mere presence of Windows 10 is answer enough. You know what to do.
If you're a Businessman, the answer is, you probably shouldn't right now.
If you're a Religionist, the answer is to consider changing your medication.
 
Carry on.
 
 

What a load of insulting crap.

Insulted because you are in one of his fictional groups or left out?
Best post on this forum in a long time. Very well written.

Here's why it's insulting: He disagrees with my point of view, and rather than accept my right to my point of view, he has to create these artificial categories, so that anyone who disagrees with him can neatly be put into whichever category he "belongs." This is clearly an attempt to marginalize and even ridicule people who may present controversial viewpoints, and is therefore disrespectful, and, indeed, insulting. I'm surprised the moderator missed this.

People reflexively categorize. It allows us to create simplified abstractions that nonetheless retain enough useful  information to derive some value from the insights that result from the process. I think we all know people who would fit neatly into those abstractions; they wouldn't be useful if it weren't so. So I'm guilty as charged in that case. As far as your feelings of personal offense, I can't help that. I did not mention any specific person (abstractions, right?) nor did I have you in mind when I wrote it.
 
While that is all true, I've said before that it was not my intention to give offense. I sought to entertain and in that I've clearly failed for some. The mods may of course exercise their judgment in whatever way they deem appropriate with my full support.

Please everyone this has been a very good thread without rancor. We can post our views without attacking anyone. 
 
Lets keep it that way. I would hate to lock this thread. 

Will this pointless thread continue until somebody gets banned. Paranoid discussion of non musical stuff doesn't belong here. I guess it doesn't help that a forum hostess is regularly involved.

Hostess? 

kevinwal
Notice that there is nothing in the privacy policy that indicates that Microsoft will sell your data or share it with selected partners to offer you compelling products and services that you may find interesting.

OK Dr Paranoid but it's true,and not just win10,MS have had NSA links for some time, which they are not allowed to disclose. All of them reluctantly are at it (google, Apple etc) . Win10 is no difference from all the other OS's.

Like Outlook?
http://m.theregister.co.u...ion_backdoor_for_feds/

It's the same with printers. There is an embedded secret code for every piece of paper you print that ID's the actual printer.

Truth is stranger than fiction.