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2015/08/18 08:24:09
bitSync
Bristol_Jonesey
There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.


Yeah, that would do it for me.
2015/08/18 09:23:52
Sidroe
Not wanting to appear condescending,  but, I have had very little problem adapting to 10 and I am by no means a computer tech guy whatsoever.  I don't understand the logic behind knowing that in a very short time  your OS is going to bite the dust. Why go to the trouble of upping to 10 and then immediately rolling back to 7, 8, Vista, etc.....,  when we all know that all windows versions beefore 10, according to microsoft, are dead in the water whether it's 6 months or 2 years from now?
if your computer meets the spec requirements and you know you have all your drivers ready, making the jump is probably going to be pretty painless. I learned on this forum how to disable the auto-downloads and other tweaks and I truthfully tell you that my computers have never run better! Even my poor old worn Acer dual core is running better than the day I bought it!
I don't advocate the features mentioned about privacy issues but I believe in due time the improvements in 10 will warrant a mandatory jump to whatever they decide to call the next jump to a NEW, IMPROVED OS.
At some point, you will HAVE to make a change. Whether it's jumping to 10 or Linux or a squeaky clean new Apple.
I would rather stay with an OS that is rooted to what I have used since 1996 than jump to Apple and have to learn a whole new workflow!
2015/08/18 10:37:50
arachnaut
You don't have to create an MS Account in Windows 10.
You can still use a local account.
That will disable OneDrive sync and some of the privacy issues mentioned.
In Windows 10 Pro it's easy to disable the things related to privacy issues and control updates.
Windows 10 has a better multi-threaded kernel than Windows 7 or 8.
2015/08/18 10:49:26
bapu
bitSync
Bristol_Jonesey
There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.


Yeah, that would do it for me.


OK. Upgrade.
 
Thread over and out.
2015/08/18 11:18:18
John
jih64
I upgraded 2 laptops and a test Desktop from Windows 7 to Windows 10, they are all back on Windows 7. I just don't like it at all. the looks are enough to make me make the switch back, hideous. Someone up top said that it looked or was more like Windows 7, well it ain't like no Windows 7 I have ever known. I didn't let it near my 2 music PC's, but I guess the time will come down the track away, where the choice will have to be made, I am happy to wait until that time when software or hardware requirements make the change necessary, but until then I am very happy with a rock solid, blazing fast Windows 7 (never really noticed any 'noticeable' speed up with Win 10 in any area)
 
One thing I will say though, is that the installation of Windows 10 went as smooth as, everything seemed to work fine, only the new Windows Edge browser seemed a little flaky, especially with these forums. The roll back to Windows 7 was also as smooth as, with zero issues since on all 3 systems. 
 
My beloved M-Audio Delta 1010 sound cards, of which I have 5 would most likely not work under Windows 10 anyway, there wasn't much luck under Win 8, and no hope for new drivers, and I don't really want to move on from them, certainly not to a USB/fire-wire alternative, and having 5 of them it will take some time for natural attrition to thin the herd, no doubt when that time comes I will kick myself for not moving on much sooner, but . . . they serve me well.
 
When the time comes to move on from Windows 7, I will be giving the Mac a serious look even if it means ditching Sonar, my other fav DAW, REAPER works fine on Mac, and I really do dislike Windows 10, even more than I do Apple. Hideous.
 
For my money, if you are happy with Windows 7, and it's working for you, stay put, by all means have a look at Windows 10 on another machine or whatever, then if you like it, that's up to you, but don't dive in head first with your main DAW machine, you may regret that :)


I have had plenty of people say how nice Windows 10 looks. And yes it does boot faster. Its the future and the support it will get is going to be much better than in the past for older OSs. 
 
If you have driver problems try Vista drivers or Win 7 drivers. Windows 10 is not as sensitive to drivers as 7 and 8 were.
 
 
Plus its free now but it wont be free forever. 
  
2015/08/18 13:02:23
kitekrazy1
rontarrant
stickman393
The killer features for me were:
  • uncontrollable Windows update

Just curious... do you have Windows 7 Home or Windows 7 Pro?
 
If you have Pro, those updates are not uncontrollable. That's only for the Home users.




 Please cite references. All of mine are W7 Pro.
 
2015/08/18 13:24:29
kitekrazy1
jih64
I upgraded 2 laptops and a test Desktop from Windows 7 to Windows 10, they are all back on Windows 7. I just don't like it at all. the looks are enough to make me make the switch back, hideous. Someone up top said that it looked or was more like Windows 7, well it ain't like no Windows 7 I have ever known. I didn't let it near my 2 music PC's, but I guess the time will come down the track away, where the choice will have to be made, I am happy to wait until that time when software or hardware requirements make the change necessary, but until then I am very happy with a rock solid, blazing fast Windows 7 (never really noticed any 'noticeable' speed up with Win 10 in any area)
 
One thing I will say though, is that the installation of Windows 10 went as smooth as, everything seemed to work fine, only the new Windows Edge browser seemed a little flaky, especially with these forums. The roll back to Windows 7 was also as smooth as, with zero issues since on all 3 systems. 
 
My beloved M-Audio Delta 1010 sound cards, of which I have 5 would most likely not work under Windows 10 anyway, there wasn't much luck under Win 8, and no hope for new drivers, and I don't really want to move on from them, certainly not to a USB/fire-wire alternative, and having 5 of them it will take some time for natural attrition to thin the herd, no doubt when that time comes I will kick myself for not moving on much sooner, but . . . they serve me well.
 
When the time comes to move on from Windows 7, I will be giving the Mac a serious look even if it means ditching Sonar, my other fav DAW, REAPER works fine on Mac, and I really do dislike Windows 10, even more than I do Apple. Hideous.
 
For my money, if you are happy with Windows 7, and it's working for you, stay put, by all means have a look at Windows 10 on another machine or whatever, then if you like it, that's up to you, but don't dive in head first with your main DAW machine, you may regret that :)




 Yes they will.  W10 has better legacy hardware support.  I was afraid my FW410 would not work but it does. I have a system with a FW410, AP192 using Window 10. 
 I had to roll back a system because of other issues but Windows 10 even supported my Terratec EWX/2496 running on Vista beat drivers.
 
2015/08/18 13:35:01
kitekrazy1
jih64
Bristol_Jonesey
There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.



Mac, or for me, just dump Sonar, and just continue using Windows 7 and REAPER, it is still supporting XP, there are many choices, and Sonar is just a tool, other tools can do the same thing and buy more time. There are people still using X1, 8.5 etc, so if one so chose, they could possibly carry on for quite a few years yet if they are happy with the status quo, and weren't to concerned about having the latest and greatest. Then again Windows 10 may evolve into something acceptable to me, as it is now, I just can't bare to look at it unfortunately.




Just because a developer stops supporting an OS doesn't mean it will no longer function or be less stable. I still have 32 bit software developed back when W95/98 was around that still functions great. Sony's Acid Pro which last was updated when people were still using XP runs fine. It even passed the Windows compatibility checker. Some software may just need a reinstall.
2015/08/18 16:01:38
GregGraves
I think it is telling that Easeus Todo software now sells a roll-back app that replaces W10 with W7/8.  Hmmmm.  Why would the make and sell an app nobody needs?
 
Also I don't know how you can "love" an operating system.  I mean you can love your wife, love your dog, love your wife's sister, love your daughter's boyfriend's sister, but an OS?  Hmmmmm.
 
Like the Koch brothers behind the scenes on Fox, it seems Cakewalk is much too eager to jump on the Win10 bandwagon.  Sonar should support operating systems just as long as MS does, as in support Win7 until 2020, or until I build a new machine and am forced to upgrade.  Remember, it is all about me.
 
I have a Delta 44 and no Win10 driver is currently available.  Maybe never available.  More hmmmmm.  I know someone is going to reply to my post and tell me how nifty upgrading my hardware might be, but my reply is, "Why?".  If it made me a better musician, I'm down, but you become a better artist by practicing your craft, not buying gadgets.
2015/08/18 16:29:38
daveny5
One reason to not upgrade is that your devices may not work under Windows10. Unless the manufacturer has released an updated device driver, it won't work. I've been burned by that once before. Any M-Audio fans left out there after the Windows 7 fiasco?
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